Warren vows to speak out on sexism in 2020 race, after ending presidential bid

[Maximus1]

Race! You are right, the vote doesn’t lie. But it also negates the ESTABLISHMENT is deciding. If anything the establishment is clinging to the voters choice because they like it.

 

[dvdjs]

56% of people who cast a vote in 2016 were women. So there is no reason to believe women can’t win, unless women voters themselves are sexist against women.

Studies on implicit bias against women show that men and women are equally susceptible to it.

This is an inconvenient fact lost on many trying to blame race for lack of diversity among the final candidates

In reality the talk of a lack of diversity the comes mainly from opponents of Democrats who are trying to pretend that there is a diversity problem in that party. One just has to look at the demographics oin Congress ot see how bogus that argument is.

But it also negates the ESTABLISHMENT is deciding

Yes. Another pretend argument.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

Or that little girls can’t be inspired by successful men, or little boys can’t be inspired by amazing women. My 3rd grade daughter who checked out a book on Ronald Reagan from the school library and my five year old son who invokes Mary as a model for our lives each night would be surprised at this concept.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

Jeb Bush was chided as awkward, stiff and urelatable (in various terms) despite being the favorite going into 2016. Bush Jrs relatability was often discussed as why he did well. Trump gets chastized for being a golden toilet elitist frequently on these very boards.

I’d say it happens plenty. Hillary, Jeb and Warren lacked the charisma needed, not because they were women, but because they are uncharismatic people.

 

[Maximus1]

You will have some " splainin to do" when he wonders what shining city on a hill meant.

 

[dvdjs]

I’d say it happens plenty.

You might like to look at some thorough articles on the different rhetoric used in discussing female and male presidential candidates. However plentiful there is a major disparity.

 

[redal]

You used your “Biden its time” phrases on a different thread…keep it there.

I’ve followed you orders (just this one time) by editing and deleting the sentence you apparently felt so troubling.

However, and with all due respect, I suggest if you feel its a hill worth dying on, you either use the PM feature, or the flag option “Its off topic” and let moderators decide to remove a comment rather than playing self-arbiter.

 

[dvdjs]

I’ve followed you orders (just this one time)

My personal rule is not to respond to posts in which orders are directed to me.
Such posts are difficult to reconcile with forum guidelines.

 

[JonNC]

Dr_Meinheimer:

I’d say it happens plenty.

You might like to look at some thorough articles on the different rhetoric used in discussing female and male presidential candidates. However plentiful the is a major disparity.

Those articles are written by individuals, who are responsible for their content. Warren is Making the claim that her loss is because of a pervasive level sexism. That assumes facts clearly not in evidence.
At least from my view, it is about policy, not race or gender or identity of any type. For example, I can’t think of a male (or female) Democrat I would vote for over Candice Owens ( when she’s old enough).

 

[dvdjs]

Warren is Making the claim that her loss is because of a pervasive level sexism.

That case is not advanced in anything quoted in the OP. Can you document ther attempting to make that case?

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

Warren is Making the claim that her loss is because of a pervasive level sexism.

That case is not advanced in anything quoted in the OP. Can you document ther attempting to make that case?

What case is she making by the specious claim that she lost because of sexism? Either the Democrat voters who rejected her are sexist or not.

 

[KMC]

Can these people not just accept they were unpopular and that their platform was garbage without finding a way to be a victim?

No. They cannot accept it. They are properly woke, therefore, there must be an unfair bias at play.

 

[dvdjs]

What case is she making by the specious claim that she lost because of sexism?

Again, that claim is not in the OP. Can you document her making it?

 

[JanetF]

I think a lot of people would most certainly vote for a woman for president

I agree, I was ready for Carly Fiorini!

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

What case is she making by the specious claim that she lost because of sexism?

Again, that claim is not in the OP. Can you document her making it?

I asked a question.
Here’s what she said:

“Gender in this race, you know, that is the trap question for every woman. If you say, ‘yeah, there was sexism in this race,’ everyone says ‘whiner,’” she said. “And if you say, ‘no, there was no sexism,’ about a bazillion women think, ‘what planet do you live on?’’”

Do you think she is claiming sexism played a significant role in her loss?

 

[dvdjs]

Do you think she is claiming sexism played a significant role in her loss?

She did not make the claim that she “lost because of sexism”.
Neither did she make a claim of a “significant” role.

In fact, she avoided the question, because even while it is obvious that it plays some role, there is a great backlash of those who build exaggerated straw men about the claims, then knock them down with comments about wokeness and victim status.

 

[gracepoole]

I have a hard time believing that all of the women who ran have “relatability” issues. Unless, of course, we count as a “relatability” issue the fact that some people find it difficult to see their mothers as leaders and not schoolmarms or unfeminine.

I really can’t believe it’s 2020 and we still haven’t had a female president. I seriously doubt it’s because we simply haven’t seen any qualified women thus far.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

Do you think she is claiming sexism played a significant role in her loss?

She did not make the claim that she “lost because of sexism”.
Neither did she make a claim of a “significant” role.

In fact, she avoided the question, because even while it is obvious that it plays some role, there is a great backlash of those who build exaggerated straw men about the claims, then knock them down with comments about wokeness and victim status.

Well, okay. If she doesn’t believe sexism played a role, I agree.

 

[stpurl]

Well people would argue Hilary was ‘qualified’ but there were other issues beyond ‘sexism’ which played a role in her loss. IOW, she didn’t lose because she was a woman and people ‘couldn’t see a woman president’ but because they could not see that particular woman as presidential caliber, not solely because of ‘female sex’ but for literally hundreds of other reasons.

I remember when Geraldine Ferraro ran for Vice President, for heaven’s sake. I remember thinking at the time that there were excellent women serving in the Senate and as governors. They didn’t choose to run for president. Who knows what might have happened?

But the real issue I have as a 63 year old US woman is the idea of choosing a president based on some ‘ism’. Whether it is the person’s sex, age, religion, or whether it’s some kind of ‘my turn-ism’, like, “It’s time we had a black president, a woman president, a Jewish president, a gay president, a young young president, an old president, a handicapped president’. . .etc etc. It goes on and on. “We haven’t had X, therefore we aren’t INCLUSIVE. We haven’t ‘evolved’ enough. Etc. I just find that sad. Whatever happened to electing a person as president because they happened to be, in your opinion, the best PERSON to do the job? So maybe you’re an older white male, but you’d vote for a black man or woman even though that person wasn’t ‘you’, or even had characteristics you found ‘uncomfortable’ personally, but by golly, even if they didn’t fit your idea of what you thought the country ‘needed’, they sure could do the job as president better than anybody else. Or maybe you’re a young black Evangelical but you know, Bernie is the one you think can serve the country best —you aren’t going to stamp your foot and demand the country find you a young black evangelical woman because we haven’t had such a person as president and ‘it’s time’.

 

[gracepoole]

Despite popular theories among conservatives, I don’t know anyone who voted for Obama or HRC because of their race/gender.