Warren vows to speak out on sexism in 2020 race, after ending presidential bid

[JonNC]

While the UN is about as believable as CNN ( very little), what other countries believe about women is irrelevant to the issue of American elections.

For instance, the GSNI revealed that nearly half of the world’s population believes that men make better political leaders, and more than 40 percent believe men make better business executives.

Disaggregate America from all the other countries.

It also found that 28 percent of men and women believe that men are justified to beat their wives.

In the United States?

The index was based on data from 75 countries that comprise 80 percent of the world’s population

The inclusion of majority Muslim countries such as Pakistan skews the data such that it is irrelevant to what is happening here.
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[dvdjs]

Of course it is specific. How many people will not vote for a woman because she is a woman? That’s the issue when it comes to elections.

As I have already suggested, studies show the matter to be more subtle. Your suggestion that selected outcomes do, or even could make a case against the existence of bias is telling.
You do not appear to be interested in a discussion of bias against candidates So be it.

 

[JonNC]

As I have already suggested, studies show the matter to be more subtle.

That doesn’t matter. When it comes to voting patterns, the question is specific.

Your suggestion that selected outcomes do, or even could make a case against the existence of bias is telling.

The attempt to deflect from election choices is telling.

You do not appear to be interested in a discussion of bias against candidates So be it.

I have bias against candidates. When one votes one expresses that bias. The question is do Americans express a bias solely based on gender.

 

[dvdjs]

That doesn’t matter. When it comes to voting patterns, the question is specific.

That is incorrect.

The attempt to deflect from election choices is telling.

i am talking about election choices.

I have bias against candidates.

Now that is a deflection.

 

[JonNC]

i am talking about election choices

Okay. What sources do we have that indicate how many Americans vote against a woman specifically because she is a woman? That would be sexist - voting against a female because of her gender.

Now that is a deflection.

No it isn’t. You mentioned bias. We all have biases. My biases center on policy. I will vote for any American, regardless of gender, race, heritage, religion, if their stated political beliefs align with mine.
The question is, how many Americans have a bias that prohibits them from voting for a woman specifically because her gender? That would be sexist.

 

[dvdjs]

What sources do we have that indicate how many

As I noted twofe before, this is not the propoer frame, if one we=wants an actual discussion o fhte effects of gender-, or race-based implicit bias. Framing so narrowly misses the point. I you want to avoid a real discussion of the issue and hold to this narrow fame, so be it.

 

[JonNC]

As I noted twofe before, this is not the propoer frame, if one we=wants an actual discussion o fhte effects of gender-, or race-based implicit bias.

The question is not about ”the effects of gender- or race-based bias” in a broad sense. The question is do Americans vote against women specifically because they are women. That is the kind of sexism the thread is about; sexism in elections.

Framing so narrowly misses the point.

Framing the question to the question is precisely the point. Attempting to deflect from that point misses the point.

I you want to avoid a real discussion of the issue and hold to this narrow fame, so be it.

I want to have a presentation of evidence that Americans vote against women because they are women, without intersectional spin.

 

[dvdjs]

The question is do Americans vote against women specifically because they are women.

No that is not the question. I have mentioned, and surely you realize, that the question is more subtle.

 

[JonNC]

No that is not the question. I have mentioned, and surely you realize, that the question is more subtle.

No, it isn’t. It is specifically related to elections. It is not subtle. This a deflection from the issue, which is voting in elections and whether or not Americans vote against women because they are women to any great degree.

 

[dvdjs]

No, it isn’t

Of course it is. The literature on this sort fo thing is extensive. The very idea that, in the absence of verbal confirmation ther e is no such thing as invidious discrimination, or the more subtle implicit bias is contradicted facts. Time to open the discussion or end it.

 

[JonNC]

Of course it is. The literature on this sort fo thing is extensive.

The only literature that matters is, “do Americans vote against women because they are women?” Do you have any literature on that?

The very idea that, in the absence of verbal confirmation ther e is no such thing as invidious discrimination

Do Americans vote against women because they are women? It is a simple question.

Four years ago we were told half of Trump voters were deplorables. Now we are being told by progressive pundits and commentators that Democrat voters are sexist. While I’m uncomfortable defending Democrat voters, I’m tired of the lies being told about the American people and America. America is not a racist nation, it is not a sexist nation. Is there racism and sexism? Sure, but I reject entirely the intersectional bigotry.

 

[Maximus1]

There have been studies in the past. I know of none done this early.

 

[Maximus1]

It isn’t, “do they vote against because.”
It is a matter of confidence lacking if I recall. And suprising was women had less confidence in the past. No idea if this is still true.

 

[Victoria33]

Look at the Democrat party, they are not against sex selection abortions. Those are more often than not, for aborting the female. So, yes, I’d say, they certainly seem to harbor some sort of prejudice about women and if Warren thinks that way, that includes her too.

 

[Maximus1]

How did it become an abortion issue?

 

[JonNC]

It isn’t, “do they vote against because.”
It is a matter of confidence lacking if I recall. And suprising was women had less confidence in the past. No idea if this is still true.

Is that lack of confidence specifically related to gender? IOW, is it “she’s female and I won’t vote for her because I lack confidence in women.”?

 

[dvdjs]

The only literature that matters is, “do Americans vote against women because they are women?

Nope. You still won’t budge. Too bad.

 

[gracepoole]

You think that in the US, we’re somehow immune to implicit biases?

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

Sounds like a lost cause then.

 

[dvdjs]

Sounds like a lost cause then.

There is therapy available.