Warren vows to speak out on sexism in 2020 race, after ending presidential bid

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gracepoole said:
You think that in the US, we’re somehow immune to implicit biases?
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No. I just think ours biases do not compare to that of some other cultures. Do you think the way women are treated in majority Muslim countries is comparable to here? Even Muslims are treated better here than in many majority Muslim nations.
The study in the aggregate means nothing.
 
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dvdjs:
Nope. You still won’t budge. Too bad.
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I won’t allow the question to be spun into something it is not.
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Again…amazing fortitude.
 
KMC said:
fortitude.
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Courage in adversity? LOL.
The are no shortage of people who think - and would say - that they, for example, view men and women the same when both are vying for some position, but when tested, surprisingly show clear bias against the women. The facts of this situation are not in doubt.

Framing the discussion as though what matters is not implicit bias, but only explicit bias shows nothing germane to the issue other than a possible need to avoid discussing the issue that matters. Equally suspect is suggestion that the success of one woman in US history to gain the presidential nomination of one major party somehow shows that there is no gender bias in shaping opinion that inform voting.
 
dvdjs said:
The are no shortage of people who think - and would say - that they, for example, view men and women the same when both are vying for some position, but when tested, surprisingly show clear bias against the women. The facts of this situation are not in doubt.
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Evidence. Do you have examples or polls?
Such”facts” are in doubt.
dvdjs said:
Framing the discussion as though what matters is not implicit bias, but only explicit bias shows nothing germane to the issue other than a possible need to avoid discussing the issue that matters.
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So you have no evidence to answer the question I’ve asked at least two or three times?
dvdjs said:
Equally suspect is suggestion that the success of one woman in US history to gain the presidential nomination of one major party somehow shows that there is no gender bias in shaping opinion that inform voting.
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Prove that it doesn’t. There have also been two women nominated for Vice President. There are numerous women in Congress, state legislatures, governorships, etc.
Again, is there evidence that a portion of American voters would vote against a woman specifically because she is a woman?
 
KMC said:
No, for me, its a matter of return on investment
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Exactly why I won’t proceed until there is a sign that the discussion will be open and informed by the studies on the subject.
 
I’m thinking of Britain. Thatcher won 3 majority governments.
Theresa May was headed for a majority government despite being seen as a robot. She won a minority government because she proposed something that was close to a new tax or a tax increase.
Meanwhile, the Labour candidates constantly drone on about sexism kinda like Elizabeth Warren and others who share her views.
 
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I’m not enthusiastic about Thatcher-Reagan-Mulroney free marketeerism but you see the difference between Thatcher and Warren. The 1980’s were much tougher for women then they are now for women. There’s a video of Thatcher in this tweet which demonstrates this difference:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1236672840205811716

Here’s how she handles questions from male MPs on the opposition benches during Prime Minister’s Questions:

 
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