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JimmyDFG
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Do you understand what Jesus meant when he said " It is finished"?
As I stated in #210
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As I stated in #210
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Servant19
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Yes, it means there is no more to be revealed in this Dispensation.
But another Comforter will come and reveal more in a NEW Dispensation
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TonyBS
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Firstly you have mixed up quotes from two different posters in your reply which the posters responded to specific questions.
The Bible gives you all you need to make Judgement on the claim of a Prophet.
It may seen we “Dance Around”, to me that is not so, as I can not answer the question for you, these are matters of the heart and your heart is between you and God.
My answer from my view, will not be how you see it.
My view would be the Book of Mormon, it it independent or is it a reword of the Bible, to me it is a reword. Joseph Smith most likely picked up on the Spirit of the time, it was a time of hope a time of impending renewal of the Spirit of God.
From the Mormon site - “The book verifies, as another testament of Christ, the reality and divinity of Jesus Christ. These prophets knew about Heavenly Father’s plan for His children and the mission of Jesus Christ. They recorded that Christ appeared, after His Resurrection, to the people in America, taught them His gospel, and formed His Church among them. The book contains the teachings of Jesus Christ, testifying of His Atonement and His love. It supports and verifies the Bible. The Bible contains prophecies about these people in America”.
It is self evident that the Koran is an Independent Revelation that connects us also to the Word of Christ and teaches us of more that is to come. (So much more as well)
It is not I that is the Judge, this is important to consider, I use the Word as given by Baha’u’llah as my frame of Reference. I have no claim to any fruitful or worthy knowledge.
God Bless and Regards Tony
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JimmyDFG
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Where does Jesus himself mentions a “new dispensation”?
Perhaps you don’t know what “it is finished” means
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TonyBS
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The dispensation of MUHAMAD is laid out here, also told that the dispensation would last 1260 years.
Revelation 11King James Version (KJV)
11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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This has nothing to do with Muhammad
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RebeccaJ
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Mormons also believe in dispensations:
'A gospel dispensation is a period of time in which the Lord has at least one authorized servant on the earth who bears the keys of the holy priesthood.
Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ, Joseph Smith, and others have each started a new gospel dispensation. When the Lord organizes a dispensation, the gospel is revealed anew so that the people of that dispensation do not have to depend on past dispensations for knowledge of the plan of salvation. The dispensation begun by Joseph Smith is known as the “dispensation of the fulness of times.”’
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TonyBS
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I find it interesting that the power of the Word is evident in the World before it is actually revealed. Stands to reason this is so. Judgement day would make this a logical observation.
In the time of Christ you can see how it works, so much expectation people telling that the event is about to happen.
This happened in Muhammad revelation and in the Bahai revelation.
As far as I know no one was foretelling of Joseph Smith,.but it is obvious he had a great spiritual connection to what was about to happen. It appears that he could not come to terms of the source of His inspiration, or it could just be another thing we are given to help us make the right choices with our heart not our worldly knowledge.
Regards Tony
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JimmyDFG
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When they speak of muhammad and mirza Ḥusayn ali nuri in the book of Revelation I think of then as being something elseThis has nothing to do with Muhammad
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Techno2000
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It really shows how weak their Bahalogy is.When they speak of muhammad and mirza Ḥusayn ali nuri in the book of Revelation I think of then as being something else
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Vico
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Catholic teaching is that Revelation is complete: “Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.”
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13770241
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JimmyDFG
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Techno2000
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Its a perfect example on how to twist the Bible.
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JimmyDFG
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They think we’re in error. But yet they don’t understand what “it is finish” and “my words will never pass away” means
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Servant19
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Please share with us what “it is finished” means and put an end to this Baha’i stuff!
What is the meaning Jimmy?
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JimmyDFG
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I’ve given the answer already Servant. You’ve lost it this soon?
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TonyBS
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Then Muhammad came and now the Muslims would say Revelation was completed in Muhammad, the “Seal of the Prophets”.
Seems that when we chain Gods Hands by saying His Revelation is complete, that God chains our hands instead.
It would be like saying there will be no more sun rises as it has already risen and does not need to come back around again.
I like it that God never leaves us alone, even we have decided we do not want him again and become snug and comfortable in our pitiful understanding of Him.
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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I know he keeps bugging us with all kinds of nutty new Revelations.
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Servant19
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There’s a lot been posted in the last few hours, and my time is restricted today. My apologies if I missed it, can you please give me a post number?
Thankyou.
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JimmyDFG
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What Jesus did through His perfect earthly existence, sacrificial death, and glorious resurrection fully completed the work the Father had given Him to do. Not only did He complete His salvific work but also His accomplishment is fully efficacious today and will be forevermore. There is nothing more to add–nothing more to be done by God, man, or religious institutions. The undeniable, factual, historic, and eternal work of Jesus Christ has been completed–is complete–and will forever remain completed. “IT . . . IS . . . FINISHED!”
Tetelestai is in the perfect tense in Greek. That’s significant because the perfect tense speaks of an action which has been completed in the past with results continuing into the present. It’s different from the past tense which looks back to an event and says, “This happened.” The perfect tense adds the idea that “This happened and it is still in effect today.”
When Jesus cried out “It is finished,” he meant “It was finished in the past, it is still finished in the present, and it will remain finished in the future.”
Note one other fact. He did not say, “I am finished,” for that would imply that he died defeated and exhausted. Rather, he cried out “It is finished,” meaning “I successfully completed the work I came to do.”
Tetelestai, then, is the Savior’s final cry of victory. When he died, he left no unfinished business behind. When he said, “It is finished,” he was speaking the truth.
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