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What is meant by saying that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father? And why do you not need spacetime to be seated at the someone’s right hand?
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We don’t know, he’s God, and he’s beyond our comprehension. Time is just a measurement of energy and how much of it there is. This is the reason time travel is impossible. You can’t force a plant to ungrow itself, it has energy that it gets and produces based on that energy. God made time, thus meaning that when the father made the son there was no time that the son was not, because that point is outside the point of time. It sounds crazy and impossible but, like, he’s kinda God, he can do anything. Maybe if Adam and Eve didn’t mess up, then God wouldve given us that knowledge after we attained righteousness (way to go Eve).
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From the Catechism:
God has no right hand. He is a spirit. He occupies no space. He is formless. There is no right hand to be seated at. The term “right hand” is understood throughout history as a position of trust and honor.
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More from the Catechism:
42 God transcends all creatures. We must therefore continually purify our language of everything in it that is limited, imagebound or imperfect, if we are not to confuse our image of God --“the inexpressible, the incomprehensible, the invisible, the ungraspable”-- with our human representations. Our human words always fall short of the mystery of God.
43 Admittedly, in speaking about God like this, our language is using human modes of expression; nevertheless it really does attain to God himself, though unable to express him in his infinite simplicity. Likewise, we must recall that “between Creator and creature no similitude can be expressed without implying an even greater dissimilitude”; and that “concerning God, we cannot grasp what he is, but only what he is not, and how other beings stand in relation to him.”
42 God transcends all creatures. We must therefore continually purify our language of everything in it that is limited, imagebound or imperfect, if we are not to confuse our image of God --“the inexpressible, the incomprehensible, the invisible, the ungraspable”-- with our human representations. Our human words always fall short of the mystery of God.
43 Admittedly, in speaking about God like this, our language is using human modes of expression; nevertheless it really does attain to God himself, though unable to express him in his infinite simplicity. Likewise, we must recall that “between Creator and creature no similitude can be expressed without implying an even greater dissimilitude”; and that “concerning God, we cannot grasp what he is, but only what he is not, and how other beings stand in relation to him.”
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The catechism specifically uses the phrase
“664 Being seated at the Father’s right hand” and then goes on to say what that signifies.
And the Nicene Creed also states that Jesus is seated at the right hand of God.
I suppose you can deny the Nicene Creed.
If you are going to invoke “figure of speech”, then you are going to run into problems justifying why other teachings are not figures of speech.
The idea of eternal existence above spacetime - is that a figure of speech which has never been experimentally verified?
The teaching on the Eucharist. Already many Christians do not accept a literal interpretation.
The teaching on the eternal fire of hell. is it a figure of speech?
Are the various miracles real miracles or are they stories intended to relay some message using figures of speech?
etc.
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That is in fact a contrary statement.
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God’s act is not temporal.
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There is not such a thing as non-temporal act since any act requires a change.
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It’s a single, eternal act.
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I didn’t say that there are two acts. I said that any act requires a change otherwise it is not an act.
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If there is no beginning or end point to an eternal act, then there is no change.
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God does nothing if there is no change.
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God does not go from a state of potentiality to a state of actuality, He is pure actuality. Time is not required in this.
Does the number 4 precede evenness in time?
Does the number 4 precede evenness in time?
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Would you please stop saying I deny the Nicene Creed just because I don’t accept your literal interpretation? You have yet to provide any proof that states that the Church believes God has a literal right side. First of all, the Bible is not always to be taken literally. This is a fact. This is what the Church teaches. You ignored my quotation about Jesus also being called the Root of Jesse. God is a spirit. This is a fact. This is what the Church teaches. Spirits do not take up space and have no form. This is a fact. This is what the Church teaches. There is literally no right hand to be spoken of, because if God has no form and takes up no space, He has no right side, much less a right hand. Therefore, we cannot take the statement that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father literally.
Go find me something written by the Church that speaks about God’s literal right side. Catholics do not believe in a corporeal God.
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I am familiar with this concept.
There should be at least two state of affairs from God’s perspective, one God alone and another God plus creation otherwise nothing has done from God’s perspective.
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SIGH.
Tell me, please: what does “sit at his right hand” mean? Does it literally mean “here’s God’s right hand, and here’s a chair, and there’s Jesus sitting in that chair”? Or, perhaps… might it mean something else?
Let’s take another example. If I looked outside and said to you, “wow! it’s raining cats and dogs out there!”, would you expect to see puppies and kitties falling from the sky? Or, perhaps… might it mean something else?
Stop. Just. Stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.
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So… if I say “it’s raining cats and dogs”, then I can never say anything in a literal sense?
Seriously… your assertions strain credibility. I almost think you’re just trying to have fun at our expense.
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You are forgetting that Scripture tells us that God can take on a physical form. Even though God is a spirit, according to Holy Scripture God has taken on a material form.
Jesus, for example, was God and Jesus had a right hand and a left hand.
Genesis 3:8 tells us that God was walking in the Garden of Eden.
God appeared to Hagar Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, You-Are-The-God-Who-Sees; for she said, ‘Have I also here seen him who sees me?’ (Genesis 16:13).
Then the Lord appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day (Genesis 18:1).
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved (Genesis 32:30).
Now Gideon perceived that He was the Angel of the Lord. So Gideon said, ‘Alas, O Lord God! For I have seen the Angel of the Lord face to face’ (Judges 6:22).
When the Angel of the Lord appeared no more to Manoah and his wife, then Manoah knew that he was the Angel of the Lord. And Manoah said to his wife, we shall surely die, because we have seen God (Judges 13:21,22).
Do Catholics believe in Holy Scripture which tells us in several different places that God has taken on a material form and was observed by many people?
I didn’t think that it should be embarrassing for a Catholic to read and appreciate what is written in holy Scripture and to believe what is stated in the Nicene Creed.
Holy Scripture makes it clear that God can take on a material form and be observed by humans.
Your bullying techniques and your feeble attempts to prove that Scripture is wrong will fail. In more than one place in Holy Scripture,
as cited above, God is revealed to have taken on a material form which was observed and duly noted.
Further, in Matthew 25, Jesus makes it very clear that there is a right and a left. You cannot have an orientation of space without having space itself.
Cont.
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Further citations referring to the right hand of God:
Mark 16:19
19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.
Luke 22:69 But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God."
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’
Acts 2:34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, "'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand
1 Peter 3:22 , “who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand–with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.”
Mark 16:19
19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.
Luke 22:69 But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God."
Matthew 22:44
44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord:“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’
Acts 2:34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, "'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand
1 Peter 3:22 , “who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand–with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.”
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