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cestusdei:
Emad, it’s full of truth. Is that why you can’t answer it?
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Mine is full of truth too, is that why you didn’t answer and threw accusations in order to change the subject? Mine is backed with scripture and reliable sources, yours is just mere opinion and personal interpretation, nothing to back it up.
 
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grotto:
Have you heard the theory of the origin of Islam? Well, it seems there were a couple of camel herders going about their wandering in the desert when they ran into a couple of shepherds. Now these shepherds were faithful Christians and told the camel herders about the Life, Death and Resurrection of Our Lord. The shepherds were filled with Truth, Peace and Joy. The camel herders were a bit envious, and before long they decided to tell a story more flattering to their camel herders using a little of this and a little of that from the Christian shepherds and making up the rest. It was enlarged and varied upon by many other camel herders and they called it a Religion of Peace but it wasn’t and they could never be filled with Truth, Peace and Joy. Those that wanted to be Christians were killed because that would be an insult to the Religion of Peace. Go figure.
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The more I hear about this backward bunch of believers the more convinced I am that the above origin of Islam is most accurate!
 
Emad, I answered you. If your English isn’t up to the task say so. Otherwise let’s hear a cogent response.
 
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freedomm:
OK, Dear LilyM, here is a latest news for you from America; The Washington Post says:

Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States and is expected to become the second-largest religious bloc here in the next few years, but the government has not tapped into its own community as part of the global outreach, U.S. officials say.

“It’s very important for American Muslims to be involved, as they’re an important conduit to the wider Islamic world and they should be speaking out,” the second U.S. official added. “But American Muslims generally feel they’re not included like other communities. We should be talking to them, as they have a lot of knowledge of the region.”

[By Robin Wright and Al Kamen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, April 18, 2005; Page A02 ]

Details:
washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61213-2005Apr17.html

For below items: Click here:
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World Almanac and Book of facts 1935 and Readers Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983
The CIA Worlds Facts Book
BBC
Islam: Misunderstood Throughout The World
MIKE WALLACE, 60 MINUTES
USA TODAY, The population reference bureau
ABC NEWS
CAIRO (CNN)
THE TIMES
Conversions in the United States
NEWSDAY
NEW YORK TIMES
Dan Rathers, CBS NEWS
CNN
HILLARY RODMAN CLINTON, Los Angeles Times
President Clinton, White House Eid ul-Fitr presentation
ABC News Broadcasted on BIC News
Times of India
Ohio News
Associated Press Writer
Seattle Times
Conversions in Britain
Sunday Times (London, U.K.)
THE TIMES​

And a latest BBC, UK’s Fact File on Islam says:

There are two billion Muslims world-wide.
[bbc.co.uk/insideout/northeast/series4/yvonne_ridley_iraq.shtml]](http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/northeast/series4/yvonne_ridley_iraq.shtml])
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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: When it suits you you quote “The Washington Post” and american media but when its not what you want to hear, you bash American media. :nope:
 
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Emad:
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Emad black

Yes, but men have free will and they sin. Do you believe that muslim terrorist who kill fellow muslim are being guided by Allah (pbuh)?

No I don’t, however you believe the Church is guided, I don’t believe Muslim terrorists are guided. That is the difference.

Again, God didn’t order us to kill apostates. If you find a place where he did say it, let me know.

If you scroll down some more, you will see these verses in another members post:

_Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)
_If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)
_If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it’s inhabitants… even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)
and muslims do not persecute Christians and kill the innocent.
while the bible does not persecute muslims only :
Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
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Here are my questions, where are your answers?

ps: What’s wrong with my English? Born and raised in America buddy, my English is just as good as you (if not better 😉 )
 
Now ***those ***quotes are more challenging. We discussed them on another thread, so I was surprised you missed them in your earlier question.

Certainly we don’t follow this as Christians, but I will have to see what more serious theologians have to say about squaring these with Jesus’ words you quoted above (i.e. Fullfilment of the Law). My guess is he may have been referring more specifically to the Ten Commandments?? I’ll get back to you. Certainly, Jesus is very clear that we are to “love our enemies.”

As far as the terrorists not being guided by Allah (pbuh), I’m glad to hear that! 😉 So, I’m sure what they do is rejected by all devout Muslim, yes? Unfortunately, no.

Even a very level-headed co-worker of mine in Malaysia told me that if a suicide bombing of citizens is for a specific goal which will better conditions (he gave the example of Israel), it’s okay. If it is for personal glory, it is not okay. He of course said that the bombing of fellow Muslim and mosques, is completely unacceptable. To Christians, the purposeful killing of any civilians is a grave sin, unless it is in self-defense.

Robert
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Emad:
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Yes, but men have free will and they sin. Do you believe that muslim terrorist who kill fellow muslim are being guided by Allah (pbuh)?

No I don’t, however you believe the Church is guided, I don’t believe Muslim terrorists are guided. That is the difference.

Again, God didn’t order us to kill apostates. If you find a place where he did say it, let me know.

If you scroll down some more, you will see these verses in another members post:

_Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)
_If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)
_If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it’s inhabitants… even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)
and muslims do not persecute Christians and kill the innocent.
while the bible does not persecute muslims only :
Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
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Emad,

What in this quote requires an apology? It is a definition. The fact that it says “there is no forgiveness for those who have wilfully denied the Lord” does not mean we are supposed to take some heinous action against such a person. It is saying there is no forgiveness. It is the most grievous sin. We believe that person will go to hell (with a one-way ticket) after they die.

God bless,

Robert
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Emad:
APOSTASY A FIDE, or PERFIDIÆ
Perfidiæ is the complete and voluntary abandonment of the Christian religion, whether the apostate embraces another religion such as Paganism, Judaism, Mohammedanism, etc., or merely makes profession of Naturalism, Rationalism, etc. The heretic differs from the apostate in that he only denies one or more of the doctrines of revealed religion, whereas the apostate denies the religion itself, a sin which has always been looked upon as one of the most grievous. The “Shepherd” of Hermas, a work written in Rome in the middle of the second century, states positively that there is no forgiveness for those who have wilfully denied the Lord. [Similit. ix. 26, 5; Funk, Opera Patrum apostolicorum (Tübingen, 1887), I, 547].

newadvent.org/cathen/01624b.htm

Mind you that the above is a Christian source. Did the Church ever apologize for this? Also if the pope is infallible, and killing of apostates is wrong according to your religion, how do we put what happened and your belief in him together?
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Emad, I guess I will repeat myself. By Jesus time even Jews didn’t kill apostates. YOU still do. I don’t have to quote something 3000 years old. I can point to what muslims do today. How do YOU justify that?
 
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pro_universal:
Once again, you dodge the issue. Why is it so tough for you to love muslims? Isn’t that part of your duty as a priest?

Your continual refusal to explain so many posts that are odds with the authority of the Church is troubling, to say the least. I don’t think you should be able to identify yourself as a Priest if you’re going to teach the opposite of what the Church commands.
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he is as much of a priest as i am a bacon eating alcoholic.
 
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exoflare:
Muslim apologetics at it’s finest, I see.
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I have doubts about cestusdei’s claims myself. He makes statements that are diametrically opposed to well settled Church teachings, and then ignores any challenge or tries to turn the conversation into “you’re all just defending terrorism.”

He doesn’t conduct himself with the maturity and reasonable speech that I’ve seen from every Priest I’ve ever met, so I am really beginning to wonder.
 
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pro_universal:
I have doubts about cestusdei’s claims myself. He makes statements that are diametrically opposed to well settled Church teachings, and then ignores any challenge or tries to turn the conversation into “you’re all just defending terrorism.”

He doesn’t conduct himself with the maturity and reasonable speech that I’ve seen from every Priest I’ve ever met, so I am really beginning to wonder.
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Which “church teaching” is he contradicting?

This whole thing about “hating” Muslims is a complete knee-jerk reaction. I think you just tend to imply that condemning a religious teaching means that you “hate” all its followers. It’s a pretty common argument, but it really doesn’t make any sense.
 
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exoflare:
Which “church teaching” is he contradicting?

This whole thing about “hating” Muslims is a complete knee-jerk reaction. I think you just tend to imply that condemning a religious teaching means that you “hate” all its followers. It’s a pretty common argument, but it really doesn’t make any sense.
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Knee Jerk reactions are not a basis for Catholic teaching, if that’s what you think cestusdei is doing.

Condemning Islam and saying it’s evil is against Catholic teaching as promulgated by the current Popes.

Advocating the use of nuclear weapons on muslim holy sites is downright evil, and absolutely forbidden by Catholic teaching.
 
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pro_universal:
Condemning Islam and saying it’s evil is against Catholic teaching as promulgated by the current Popes.
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Where did you get that from?
 
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pro_universal:
Condemning Islam and saying it’s evil is against Catholic teaching as promulgated by the current Popes.
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Where did you get that from?
 
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discipleofJesus:
Where did you get that from?
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catholic-forum.com/saintS/pope0264qr.htm
It is my ardent hope that Muslim and Christian religious leaders and teachers will present our two great religious communities as communities in respectful dialogue, never more as communities in conflict. It is crucial for the young to be taught the ways of respect and understanding, so that they will not be led to misuse religion itself to promote or justify hatred and violence. Violence destroys the image of the Creator in his creatures, and should never be considered as the fruit of religious conviction.
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cathnews.com/news/203/19.php
“The truth of the Christian faith appears to us in all its depth, but we mustn´t forget that, sadly, it has been darkened many times by the concrete behaviour of those who called themselves Christians,” he said. "Islam has also had moments of great splendor and decadence in the course of its history. "
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Cardinal Ratzinger stressed that it is “important is to go to the roots of the values proclaimed by the different religions”. This, he said, is where “a real interreligious dialogue can begin”.
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usccb.org/sdwp/sept11.htm
A deeper appreciation of the role that religion plays in world affairs is needed, as is a deeper understanding of and engagement with Islam. The Catholic community is engaged in dialogue and common projects with Muslims at many levels and in many ways in this country and around the world. To cite just one example, in many countries Catholic Relief Services is involved in fruitful collaboration with Muslim organizations committed to peace, justice and human rights. More should be done at all levels to deepen and broaden this dialogue and common action.
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exoflare:
It sure is. :rolleyes:
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yes . Im sure it’s .
if your English teacher’s name is Adam , you will call English subject Adam’s subject , and all of us are sure about that…
and wait a minute , have you seen your religion , Im sure you havent , ok see this:
CHRISTianity come from CHRIST , so it’s not God’s religion.
JUDAism come from JUDAH , so it’s not God’s religion.
while islam come not from word MUHAMMAD , and Im sure 100% this’s God’s religion , its not called by human names…
thnx from Child of Ishmael
 
Ishmael's child:
yes . Im sure it’s .
if your English teacher’s name is Adam , you will call English subject Adam’s subject , and all of us are sure about that…
and wait a minute , have you seen your religion , Im sure you havent , ok see this:
CHRISTianity come from CHRIST , so it’s not God’s religion.
JUDAism come from JUDAH , so it’s not God’s religion.
while islam come not from word MUHAMMAD , and Im sure 100% this’s God’s religion , its not called by human names…
thnx from Child of Ishmael
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Oh my - if that is really the best argument you can put forward then all I can say is :bigyikes:
 
Ishmael's child:
yes . Im sure it’s .
if your English teacher’s name is Adam , you will call English subject Adam’s subject , and all of us are sure about that…
and wait a minute , have you seen your religion , Im sure you havent , ok see this:
CHRISTianity come from CHRIST , so it’s not God’s religion.
JUDAism come from JUDAH , so it’s not God’s religion.
while islam come not from word MUHAMMAD , and Im sure 100% this’s God’s religion , its not called by human names…
thnx from Child of Ishmael
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The words Islam and Muslim WERE NOT even used until long after Muhammad had ravaged peoples and property and either killed or enslaved those who would not follow HIM, not his god.
 
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