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So if a Christian dies in the middle of committing a sin, such as adultery, what will happen to him? The fact that he died while commiting a sin means he hasn’t persevered to the end.

God Bless,
Michael
Were not the judge and I fear to guess at anyones fate or throw stones but Yikes about that scenario!

I don’t see how a soul could be disposed to turn to the Lords Mercy in that state.

A message of an apparition (I think) at Fatima (or maybe Lourdes) I’ve read quoted Mary to say more souls go to hell for sins of the flesh than any other kind. These modern days are exponentially more carnal then when Mary appeared in Fatima.
 
No one can go without sinning. What about Adam? He was as close to being perfect as possible, and He couldn’t avoid sin. So are you saying that you are any better then Adam?
Not “better” really, just different. “He who is the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he (John the Baptist)” because sons of the kingdom have the indwelling HS, and the merits of Christ, which the previous people did not. He is our strength, therefore, we can resist sin by the power of His grace to a degree that those born before could not.
For some reason you seem to think that I am “promoting” sinning. What gives you that idea?
Because you keep saying it is not possible to avoid sin.
It just really is not Biblical to think that you at some point in your life here on earth, you will get to a point through hard effort where you will be able to not sin.
No, but we do know that, the more a person walks in His grace, the less likely they are to sin. And we know that His grace is cumulative, and efficacious in resistance to sin, so the more we avail ourselves of it the less likely we are to sin.
It’s part of our fallen nature. Sure, we are to try and avoid sin, and might be able to do so for a very short period of time, but we will sin again, and again, and again, and again. Anyone who thinks they don’t sin are guilty of sin, because “the truth is not in them.”

God Bless,
Robert
Robert, you don’t seem to understand that Jesus died on the cross to deliver us from our sin nature. We are free. We are now empowered by the HS to choose not to sin. We are no longer slaves to our sin nature. Death no longer has power over us.
If you have free will, as you seem to think that you do let me ask you to try an experiment for me?

Using your “free” will to choose, choose that you are not going to sin anymore. “Will” you do that for me?

God Bless,
Robert
I can’t say I will do that for you, Robert, but I will do it for Jesus! Every morning I make this choice again, and every night, to the extent that I have failed to achieve it, I make confession. I do this because I do have free will, and because I know that sin separates me from God, and that when I sin, I am not in a state of grace. I know that I cannot inherit eternal life unless I am in a state of grace.
My heart is in complete peace, because I know that there is nothing that I can do to lose my salvation. Everyone here seems to think that I am promoting sin. That could not be farther from the truth. Unfortunately many Christians feel that if they don’t do enough works…in other words meet some vague church imposed “Godly” standard, that they will have no hope of ever being in heaven with God. And somehow they need to be able to stop sinning, and actually think that they have the power to obey [all] the commandments. And bend scripture to back this nonsense up.
I started a thread just to see what individuals thought was needed for their salvation, and no one came up with the same answer. Very few came up with a scriptually sound answer. Oh you say I am arrogant because I have the answer. No, I’m not arrogant, because only God can answer that question through His word. Only one man was perfect, and without sin…and that wasn’t you!
And what you are attempting to do is to be Jesus, by thinking arrogantly that you are going to conquer sin. That is foolish!

God Bless,
Robert
“Greater works will you do than I do, because I go to the father”
The commandments of God are not vague or church “imposed”. They are given to us by Jesus, who is the author and finisher of our faith, and His Spirit empowers us to follow them.
 
It is not possible. Scripture says that all have fallen short of the grace of God. (That includes Mary).
This saying is a bit of hyperbole, ronnok20. Scripture also says that “all Judea” went out to John the Baptist. But we know it is a figure of speech. There are some people that did not walk in sin (Besides Mary) Elizabeth and Zachariah the parents of John the Baptist among them.
 
So venial sins are acceptable in our lives, and mortal sins are not?
I thought Jesus died for all of our sins? “for the wages of sin is death.”

God Bless,
Robert
False, Robert. No sin is acceptable in the kingdom of heaven. that is why Jesus calls us to be perfect, as our heavenly father is perfect! 👍

Jesus did die for all our sins, and the wages of sin is death. However, there are some sins that are “mortal” in the sense that they produce an immediate separation from the grace of God, where as there are others that cause diminishment of God’s grace. The cumulative effect of lesser (venial) sins will also be separation.

1 John 5:15-17
16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal."
 
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             * No one can go without sinning. What about Adam? He was as close to being perfect as possible, and He couldn't avoid sin. So are you saying that you are any better then Adam?*
There are just so many things wrong with this thesis.

Adam could have avoided sin, but he freely chose to eat the apple. To think he sinned because he had no choice means God caused Adam’s downfall. That’s heretical. All of are sins our because of our own free choice.

Also, One can go without sinning. Jesus did it. To imply that Jesus had no choice in avoid sinning is to imply that He wasn’t fully human. Mary went an entire lifetime without sinning. The New Adam and the New Eve were complete in ways that the first Adam and Eve could have been, had they persevered.

You and I can avoid sin. Permanently, yeah, but highly HIGHLY unlikely. But we can get to the point, and we must always continue to strive, where we can remain sinless over a period of time. For a day? If so, why not a week. If a week, why not a month? Why months, how about years? You get my point?
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Do you think as Christians, we will be judged for our sins? Do you think that there will be a seperate judgement where Christians will be rewarded for what they have done here on earth in the name of Jesus? Do you believe that there is a judgement where Christians will receive crowns for what they have done?

I’ll be better able to address your questions, if you’ll first answer mine?

God Bless,
Robert
Heb 9:27-28
27 And just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. "

All will be judged. Those “in Christ” will not be condemned.
 
Originally Posted by Robert902
The whole point of this parable is to illustrate the prodigal son’s election.
Eph 1:14. Who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession to the praise of His glory."

God Bless,
Robert
Can you elaborate? I’m sorry, but I just don’t get it.

It looked like it was his repentance that brought him back.
You are right NW. Robert is pandering his false doctrine of double predestination, and purporting that man has no free will, and that it is all God.
There are two major points that really need to be addressed here.

Nobody thinks that you are “endorsing sin”. I’m sorry if we came across this way. But your theology doesn’t seem to condemn sin.
Well, speak for yourself NW! I think the once saved always saved doctrine is a presumption upon the grace of God, and there fore it is sinful to promote it. Secondly, he teaches that one cannot be free of sin, which is also an error.
Christ did not preach that message. He preached on the perils of sin and hell more than he preached about the kingdom.

Remember the key word throughout the Gospel - REPENT. Repent means to turn away from sin. Repent means to try your hardest to live the good life the way the Christ desires all of us to live.
I think that Robert does not believe that one can really live without sin. It does not sound like he believes that we have been freed from our sin nature.
Adam and Eve possessed original righteousness, perfectly holy. Yet they chose against God. If there is no free will, then God would be directly responsible for our sins. Are you saying that God created a certain group of people for eternal damnation. This goes against the God presented to us in the Bible.

God Bless,
Michael
Yes, Michael, this is EXACTLY what he is saying. This is the doctrine of predestination. That God has chosen the saved and the damned from the foundation of the world.
 
Originally Posted by Robert902
The whole point of this parable is to illustrate the prodigal son’s election.
Eph 1:14. Who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession to the praise of His glory."

God Bless,
Robert

You are right NW. Robert is pandering his false doctrine of double predestination, and purporting that man has no free will, and that it is all God.
Hey, you finally caught up!!! Good job!!!
I agree with you. I wouldn’t make a good automaton (?). I’d keep asking myself, “What am I doing here?”
 
Originally Posted by Robert902
No one can go without sinning. What about Adam? He was as close to being perfect as possible, and He couldn’t avoid sin. So are you saying that you are any better then Adam?
There are just so many things wrong with this thesis.

Adam could have avoided sin, but he freely chose to eat the apple. To think he sinned because he had no choice means God caused Adam’s downfall. That’s heretical. All of are sins our because of our own free choice*.

Also, One can go without sinning. Jesus did it. To imply that Jesus had no choice in avoid sinning is to imply that He wasn’t fully human. Mary went an entire lifetime without sinning. The New Adam and the New Eve were complete in ways that the first Adam and Eve could have been, had they persevered.

You and I can avoid sin. Permanently, yeah, but highly HIGHLY unlikely. But we can get to the point, and we must always continue to strive, where we can remain sinless over a period of time. For a day? If so, why not a week. If a week, why not a month? Why months, how about years? You get my point?
I would like to add:

Mat 5:20 For I say to you, If your righteousness shall not exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of God, never!

Mat 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Mat 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of Heaven, but the ones who do the will of My Father in Heaven.

Mat 13:41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all the offenses, and those who practice lawlessness

Mat 13:43 Then the righteous will shine out like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. The one having ears to hear, let him hear.

Mat 18:3 And He said, Truly I say to you, Unless you convert and become as the little children, not at all can you enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

Mat 18:3 And He said, Truly I say to you, Unless you convert and become as the little children, not at all can you enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

Mat 23:13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of Heaven before men; for you do not enter, nor do you allow those entering to go in.

Mat 5:48 Therefore, you be perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.

Mat 19:21 Jesus said to him, If you desire to be perfect, go sell your property and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in Heaven; and come, follow Me.

Mat 19:21 Jesus said to him, If you desire to be perfect, go sell your property and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in Heaven; and come, follow Me.

2Co 13:11 For the rest, brothers, rejoice! Perfect yourselves; encourage yourselves, mind the same thing, be at peace; and the God of love and of peace will be with you.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who bewitched you not to obey the truth, to whom before your eyes Jesus Christ was written before among you crucified?

Php 3:15 Then as many as are perfect, let us be of this mind; and if you think anything differently, God will also reveal this to you.

Heb 2:10 For it was fitting for Him, because of whom are all things, and through whom are all things, having brought many sons to glory, to perfect Him as the Author of their salvation through sufferings.

Mat 11:15 The one having ears to hear, let him hear.
 
No one can go without sinning. What about Adam? He was as close to being perfect as possible, and He couldn’t avoid sin. So are you saying that you are any better then Adam?
For some reason you seem to think that I am “promoting” sinning. What gives you that idea? It just really is not Biblical to think that you at some point in your life here on earth, you will get to a point through hard effort where you will be able to not sin. It’s part of our fallen nature. Sure, we are to try and avoid sin, and might be able to do so for a very short period of time, but we will sin again, and again, and again, and again. Anyone who thinks they don’t sin are guilty of sin, because “the truth is not in them.”

God Bless,
Robert
It is possible to avoid the type of sin that would separate you from God. In fact we are expected to. If we happen to separate ourselves from God, He lovingly gave us the Sacrament of Reconciliation to have our sins remitted and accept God’s offer to love Him freely and accept His grace. In John 20:23 you see Jesus instituting this Sacrament.
 
I would like to add:

Mat 5:20 For I say to you, If your righteousness shall not exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of God, never!

Mat 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Mat 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of Heaven, but the ones who do the will of My Father in Heaven.

Mat 13:41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all the offenses, and those who practice lawlessness

Mat 13:43 Then the righteous will shine out like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. The one having ears to hear, let him hear.

Mat 18:3 And He said, Truly I say to you, Unless you convert and become as the little children, not at all can you enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

Mat 18:3 And He said, Truly I say to you, Unless you convert and become as the little children, not at all can you enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

Mat 23:13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of Heaven before men; for you do not enter, nor do you allow those entering to go in.

Mat 5:48 Therefore, you be perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.

Mat 19:21 Jesus said to him, If you desire to be perfect, go sell your property and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in Heaven; and come, follow Me.

Mat 19:21 Jesus said to him, If you desire to be perfect, go sell your property and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in Heaven; and come, follow Me.

2Co 13:11 For the rest, brothers, rejoice! Perfect yourselves; encourage yourselves, mind the same thing, be at peace; and the God of love and of peace will be with you.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who bewitched you not to obey the truth, to whom before your eyes Jesus Christ was written before among you crucified?

Php 3:15 Then as many as are perfect, let us be of this mind; and if you think anything differently, God will also reveal this to you.

Heb 2:10 For it was fitting for Him, because of whom are all things, and through whom are all things, having brought many sons to glory, to perfect Him as the Author of their salvation through sufferings.

Mat 11:15 The one having ears to hear, let him hear.
Its amazing to me that Protestant’s somehow ignore or marginalize these verses. Jesus’s whole minstry is one that espouses righteousness.
 
Jim,

Paul is talking about being disqualified from his rewards, due to his actions. He is not talking about being disqualified from his salvation. If you don’t think that we will be rewarded for our works, read Rev. 22:12. This is not the same judgement as the Great White Throne Judgement described in Rev 20:11. If you think that these two judgements are the same, you are mistaken. One is for the saved, and the other is for the lost. If you are a child of God, you will not be judged for your sins, only what you have done for God in the name of Jesus. Jesus died for our sins, past, present and future. Why would you be judged for something that has already been paid for??

God Bless,
Robert
Robert,

First of all, there is nothing in Paul’s writings that indicate that he is speaking of any other judgement than salvation and damnation. Nothing around these verses says anything that would lead one to believe that he is referring to rewards instead of salvation. As for the verses in Revelations in 20:13 John says, “…All the dead were judged according to their deeds…” If you read down it says in verse 15, “…Anyone whose name was not found in the book of life was thrown in the pool of fire…” Its pretty clear that John is referring to the final judgement and people are judged with how they live their life. In 22:12 Jesus says He will judge those according to their deeds. I don’t know if it can be said any clearer. Nowhere does it say that if you believe in Jesus yet continue to sin and not repent you will receive less rewards than others who believed and were righteous. It just doesn’t say this in the Bible. To believe this, you would have to be ignoring an awful lot. There is much in Revelations that directs us to repent and live a righteous life 'till we die. Take 2:4, He tells them to “repent” and that they have “lost the love they had before.” He tells them to “do the deeds you did before.” This is telling these specific people that the love they had is not enough. This implies that they can lose favor from the Lord for not continuing to actively love Him. It shows how one should repent if they are not maintaining righteousness. In Rev 2:8, it says that you must remain faithful to God until you die or you will not gain the Crown of Life. This is undoubtedly referring to salvation. In verse 23 Jesus says, “…I will give each of you what your works deserve…” There are repeated references in the New Testament to the need to repent of sin and perservere in righteousness. This is how we show love to God. He offers love freely. He wants us to love Him freely. The idea of predestination goes against that. For Him to do otherwise would be comparable to one of us kidnapping our spouse instead of courting them. Just like a marriage, we have to stay faithful to the end. If a spouse messes up they have to reconcile. God wants the same thing. He wants our love and not for just one moment and thats it. He wants us to love Him to the end.

God Bless,
Jim
 
Its amazing to me that Protestant’s somehow ignore or marginalize these verses. Jesus’s whole minstry is one that espouses righteousness.
Not all Protestants do that. Most of them are the OSAS (once saved always saved) predestination folks.

Most Protestants are taught that we are saved by grace, through faith, to do good works. The holy actions are considered part of “sanctification” rather than “salvation”. Catholics don’t separate the two.
 
Not all Protestants do that. Most of them are the OSAS (once saved always saved) predestination folks.

Most Protestants are taught that we are saved by grace, through faith, to do good works. The holy actions are considered part of “sanctification” rather than “salvation”. Catholics don’t separate the two.
Yes we do seperate the two and teh very notion of OSAS IS perfect example of the marginalizing of those verse quoted.

Just as “holy actions” are part of sanctification the opposite would be that evil actions are part of condemnation.

Thats why you can’t be OSAS. Its because you have the free will to do evil if you choose.

Its common sense to realize you can deny Jesus defiantly if you want to.

OSAS is un-biblical.
 
I thought I’ve made it quite clear that we will be judged by our sins. We’ve been rambling on regarding that one topic for 10 pages now.

I’d like you to address that point, please.
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                   FIVE CHRISTIAN CROWNS
  1. The Crown of Life James 1:12
  2. The Crown Incorruptible 1 Cor. 9:24-27
  3. The Crown of Rejoicing 1 Thess. 2:19-20
  4. The Crown of Righteousness 2 Tim. 4:5-8
  5. The Crown of Glory 1 Peter 5:2-4
This is the judgement that Christians will experience. They will be rewarded for what they have done in the name of Jesus. Christians will not be judged for their sins!!! Jesus was judged by God for our sins. Paid in full!! Jesus last words on the cross were “ït is finished.”
The only judgement for sins is for unbelievers, and is The Great White Throne Judgement. If you are in attendance at The Great White Throne Judgement to be judged for your sins, then you are going to hell. Because “the wages of sin is death” and if you can’t accept the payment made for your sins by Jesus on the cross, then you will be judged for your sins. I urge you to accept the free gift of salvation, and full payment made by Jesus Christ for your sins, and escape eternal damnation. You can pay this debt yourself at The Great White Throne Judgement, or let Jesus do it for you at Calvary. Which will you choose, Heaven or Hell?

God Bless,
Robert

Oh I almost forgot the best and most important part of this. Do you know what we get to do with our crowns? Lay them at the feet of our Lord Jesus.
 
did i hear someone say, “that’s not biblical”?
FIVE CHRISTIAN CROWNS
  1. The Crown of Life James 1:12
  2. The Crown Incorruptible 1 Cor. 9:24-27
  3. The Crown of Rejoicing 1 Thess. 2:19-20
  4. The Crown of Righteousness 2 Tim. 4:5-8
  5. The Crown of Glory 1 Peter 5:2-4
This is the judgement that Christians will experience. They will be rewarded for what they have done in the name of Jesus. Christians will not be judged for their sins!!! Jesus was judged by God for our sins. Paid in full!! Jesus last words on the cross were “ït is finished.”
The only judgement for sins is for unbelievers, and is The Great White Throne Judgement. If you are in attendance at The Great White Throne Judgement to be judged for your sins, then you are going to hell. Because “the wages of sin is death” and if you can’t accept the payment made for your sins by Jesus on the cross, then you will be judged for your sins. I urge you to accept the free gift of salvation, and full payment made by Jesus Christ for your sins, and escape eternal damnation. You can pay this debt yourself at The Great White Throne Judgement, or let Jesus do it for you at Calvary. Which will you choose, Heaven or Hell?

God Bless,
Robert

Oh I almost forgot the best and most important part of this. Do you know what we get to do with our crowns? Lay them at the feet of our Lord Jesus.
sounds like OSAS to me. now that would definitely be unbiblical.

Robert902 if you’re gonna follow this 500 year old idea of OSAS by John Calvin, at least graduate to the more realistic version of “saved” with the freewill to reject it.

but enough about the salvation of mankind. how about that Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification? i hear it’s a doozie.
 
FIVE CHRISTIAN CROWNS
  1. The Crown of Life James 1:12
  2. The Crown Incorruptible 1 Cor. 9:24-27
  3. The Crown of Rejoicing 1 Thess. 2:19-20
  4. The Crown of Righteousness 2 Tim. 4:5-8
  5. The Crown of Glory 1 Peter 5:2-4
This is the judgement that Christians will experience. They will be rewarded for what they have done in the name of Jesus. Christians will not be judged for their sins!!! Jesus was judged by God for our sins. Paid in full!! Jesus last words on the cross were “ït is finished.”
The only judgement for sins is for unbelievers, and is The Great White Throne Judgement. If you are in attendance at The Great White Throne Judgement to be judged for your sins, then you are going to hell. Because “the wages of sin is death” and if you can’t accept the payment made for your sins by Jesus on the cross, then you will be judged for your sins. I urge you to accept the free gift of salvation, and full payment made by Jesus Christ for your sins, and escape eternal damnation. You can pay this debt yourself at The Great White Throne Judgement, or let Jesus do it for you at Calvary. Which will you choose, Heaven or Hell?

God Bless,
Robert

Oh I almost forgot the best and most important part of this. Do you know what we get to do with our crowns? Lay them at the feet of our Lord Jesus.
Actually Robert. in Rev 20:11-15, where they speak of the Great White Throne Judgement, both those who are written in the Book of Life and those who aren’t are present at this judgement. And who is in the Book of LIfe? For that see Rev 3:3-5. In these verses, we are told, “…Remember how you accepted and heard; keep it and repent…” Here we are being told that we have to remain steadfast and if we don’t, repent. If you read further you find that those who have done this are written in th Book of Life (Rev 3:5). This sounds to me like the opposite of “once saved always saved.”

God Bless,
Jim
 
FIVE CHRISTIAN CROWNS
  1. The Crown of Life James 1:12
  2. The Crown Incorruptible 1 Cor. 9:24-27
  3. The Crown of Rejoicing 1 Thess. 2:19-20
  4. The Crown of Righteousness 2 Tim. 4:5-8
  5. The Crown of Glory 1 Peter 5:2-4
This is the judgement that Christians will experience. They will be rewarded for what they have done in the name of Jesus. Christians will not be judged for their sins!!! Jesus was judged by God for our sins. Paid in full!! Jesus last words on the cross were “ït is finished.”
The only judgement for sins is for unbelievers, and is The Great White Throne Judgement. If you are in attendance at The Great White Throne Judgement to be judged for your sins, then you are going to hell. Because “the wages of sin is death” and if you can’t accept the payment made for your sins by Jesus on the cross, then you will be judged for your sins. I urge you to accept the free gift of salvation, and full payment made by Jesus Christ for your sins, and escape eternal damnation. You can pay this debt yourself at The Great White Throne Judgement, or let Jesus do it for you at Calvary. Which will you choose, Heaven or Hell?

God Bless,
Robert

Oh I almost forgot the best and most important part of this. Do you know what we get to do with our crowns? Lay them at the feet of our Lord Jesus.
So, Robert, you again refuse to analyze the Judgments that Jesus talks about.

Silly me, I thought that ALL SCRIPTURE was profitable. Your theology seems to indicate that only the Scripture that talks of good things is profitable. Have you ever wondered if that’s all the same crown that we win, IF we get to heaven.

Someday, Robert, you’re going to go back through the Gospels, and you’re going to wonder why Jesus talks of Hell more than He talks of the Kingdom. You’ll wonder why Jesus says that those that do not remain in Him will be cast into the fire. And why He talks of avoiding sin, even to the point of cutting off our limbs to avoid it (yes, I know he is exaggerating). Sin is that deadly, Robert, because it cuts us off from the Kingdom.
 
Robert, In the parable of the 3 men who are given the talents - what happens to the man who did nothing with his talents?
But his master answered him, `You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sowed, and gather where I have not winnowed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to every one who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.’
And our good friend St. Paul talks about a day of Retribution in Romans 2:5-7:
Your stubborn refusal to repent is only storing up retribution for yourself on that Day of Retribution when God’s just verdicts will be made known. He will repay everyone as their deeds deserve. For those who aimed for glory and honor and immortality by persevering in doing good, there will be eternal life
More from St. Paul to the Thessalonians: (1 Thes. 4:3-8)
This is the will of God, your holiness: that you refrain from immorality, that each of you know how to acquire a wife for himself in holiness and honor, not in lustful passion as do the Gentiles who do not know God; not to take advantage of or exploit a brother in this matter, for the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you before and solemnly affirmed. For God did not call us to impurity but to holiness. Therefore, whoever disregards this, disregards not a human being but God, who (also) gives his holy Spirit to you.
 
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