"We can't take this anymore", Holy Redeemer Parishoners want Rome to clean up the Church

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geraldffff said:
Wow you can’t be serious! I suggest you read the Catechism! 1387 To prepare for worthy reception of this sacrament, the faithful should observe the fast required in their Church.220 Bodily demeanor (gestures, clothing) ought to convey the respect, solemnity, and joy of this moment when Christ becomes our guest.
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I’d hate to come across as someone who sympathizes with this group, but I keep wondering, more in a hypothetical way…:

If a sincere christian man with cross-dressing tendencies shows up at mass in a community where cross-dressing is understood and accepted, and he has put effort into his appearance, but is wearing women’s clothes, is he committing public sin by doing that? I’m pretty sure that a man wearing women’s clothes isn’t a sin on it’s own.

Keep in mind that not all cross-dressing men are gay. Some of them are heterosexual and married!

Now, in this case, one of the men was dressed as a nun. But the first one wasn’t, at least not like any nun that I’ve ever seen.
 
Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence now teach theology
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**In response to critics, the gay performers known as "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence" defend San Francisco archbishop Niederauer for giving them Holy Communion "in keeping with the Second Vatican Council."**
Well, the “Sisters” finally speak. After receiving Holy Communion from Roman Catholic Archbishop George H. Niederauer on October, 6, 2007 at Most Holy Redeemer Church in San Francisco, the cross-dressing Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence issued a statement on October 17, 2007. See: KNTV news story. They must have been tired of being upstaged by the fury directed at the archbishop. The highlights are as follow:

“While at Mass the Sisters joined other parishioners in respectful and sincere worship and received Communion from the Archbishop.” Somebody might want to inform the “Sisters” that one doesn’t respect by dressing as drag queen nuns at a Catholic liturgy.

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Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence now teach theology

In response to critics, the gay performers known as “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence” defend San Francisco archbishop Niederauer for giving them Holy Communion "in keeping with the Second Vatican Council."

Well, the “Sisters” finally speak. After receiving Holy Communion from Roman Catholic Archbishop George H. Niederauer on October, 6, 2007 at Most Holy Redeemer Church in San Francisco, the cross-dressing Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence issued a statement on October 17, 2007. See: KNTV news story. They must have been tired of being upstaged by the fury directed at the archbishop. The highlights are as follow:

“While at Mass the Sisters joined other parishioners in respectful and sincere worship and received Communion from the Archbishop.” Somebody might want to inform the “Sisters” that one doesn’t respect by dressing as drag queen nuns at a Catholic liturgy.

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buffalo said:
Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence now teach theology
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**In response to critics, the gay performers known as "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence" defend San Francisco archbishop Niederauer for giving them Holy Communion "in keeping with the Second Vatican Council."**
Well, the “Sisters” finally speak. After receiving Holy Communion from Roman Catholic Archbishop George H. Niederauer on October, 6, 2007 at Most Holy Redeemer Church in San Francisco, the cross-dressing Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence issued a statement on October 17, 2007. See: KNTV news story. They must have been tired of being upstaged by the fury directed at the archbishop. The highlights are as follow:

“While at Mass the Sisters joined other parishioners in respectful and sincere worship and received Communion from the Archbishop.” Somebody might want to inform the “Sisters” that one doesn’t respect by dressing as drag queen nuns at a Catholic liturgy.

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The article written by the (so called sisters)contains this phrase “Sadly, while the Sisters participated in the celebration, others not there to worship secretly filmed and photographed the Mass hoping to spark a controversy and cast the parishioners of Most Holy Redeemer and the Archbishop in a negative light.” Can any reader shed some light on who would have known they were going to be there except the so called sisters themselves in order to film the spectacle? I suspect it was the so called sisters who had a motive.
 
geraldffff said:
The article written by the (so called sisters)contains this phrase “Sadly, while the Sisters participated in the celebration, others not there to worship secretly filmed and photographed the Mass hoping to spark a controversy and cast the parishioners of Most Holy Redeemer and the Archbishop in a negative light.” Can any reader shed some light on who would have known they were going to be there except the so called sisters themselves in order to film the spectacle? I suspect it was the so called sisters who had a motive.
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I’m a local and I know the people involved. The videographers were not the SPI. They were there to videotape the bishop and had no idea ahead of time that the SPI were going to be there nor did they even for a moment imagine that the bishop would give them Communion. The bishop picked a really odd time to be at that parish. The Folsom St. fair was the week before and this was the Castro St. Fair weekend. Both of these are highly immoral events and this church is in the Castro. The videographers wanted to know what hte bishop was going to say in light of the surrounding events.

Why videotaping? I live in the Oakland Diocese right across the bridge from the SF Diocese. When our bishop was getting ready to retire and we were fighting for an orthodox replacement, we video/audio taped, copied letters from the offending priests, etc. and burned them all onto a CD-rom and sent them off to Rome. We got a great bishop and a short while after that, Rome got word to us that the CD was the most helpful they’ve ever had and that all troubled diocese should do this.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
I’d hate to come across as someone who sympathizes with this group, but I keep wondering, more in a hypothetical way…:

If a sincere christian man with cross-dressing tendencies shows up at mass in a community where cross-dressing is understood and accepted, and he has put effort into his appearance, but is wearing women’s clothes, is he committing public sin by doing that? I’m pretty sure that a man wearing women’s clothes isn’t a sin on it’s own.

Keep in mind that not all cross-dressing men are gay. Some of them are heterosexual and married!
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You are joking, right?
 
bear06 said:
I’m a local and I know the people involved. The videographers were not the SPI. They were there to videotape the bishop and had no idea ahead of time that the SPI were going to be there nor did they even for a moment imagine that the bishop would give them Communion. The bishop picked a really odd time to be at that parish. The Folsom St. fair was the week before and this was the Castro St. Fair weekend. Both of these are highly immoral events and this church is in the Castro. The videographers wanted to know what hte bishop was going to say in light of the surrounding events.

Why videotaping? I live in the Oakland Diocese right across the bridge from the SF Diocese. When our bishop was getting ready to retire and we were fighting for an orthodox replacement, we video/audio taped, copied letters from the offending priests, etc. and burned them all onto a CD-rom and sent them off to Rome. We got a great bishop and a short while after that, Rome got word to us that the CD was the most helpful they’ve ever had and that all troubled diocese should do this.
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I pray someone more technically savvy than me can burn this to a cd-rom, along with clips from “Revival Bingo”, and articles about what happened and send them to Rome. Can anybody from this forum do that?
 
fix said:
You are joking, right?
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Nope, seriously wondering if it’s a sin for a man to wear women’s clothes? I can’t see why it would be. And if the people at his parish aren’t bothered by it, and if to that person it doesn’t seem disrespectful to God, is it sinful to wear them to mass? Sorry if this should go in a new thread, but it seems relevant here.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
Nope, seriously wondering if it’s a sin for a man to wear women’s clothes? I can’t see why it would be. And if the people at his parish aren’t bothered by it, and if to that person it doesn’t seem disrespectful to God, is it sinful to wear them to mass? Sorry if this should go in a new thread, but it seems relevant here.
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God doesn’t want you to pretend you are something you are not. It is a lie to wear clothing that does not identify you as God intends.
 
bear06 said:
I’m a local and I know the people involved. The videographers were not the SPI.

Why videotaping? I live in the Oakland Diocese right across the bridge from the SF Diocese. When our bishop was getting ready to retire and we were fighting for an orthodox replacement, we video/audio taped, copied letters from the offending priests, etc. and burned them all onto a CD-rom and sent them off to Rome. We got a great bishop and a short while after that, Rome got word to us that the CD was the most helpful they’ve ever had and that all troubled diocese should do this.
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Thank you much for lighting that corner. It is interesting that they say their cohorts are catholic. We had a priest who was a missionary in Africa one time he told a story of when he was saying Mass and the doors were open. In walked a dog who went up to the alter, lifted his leg and urinated. I suspect that dog also believed he belonged and if he could of talked he would claim to be catholic also. In the same way these two so called sisters are quite oblivious to who’s body they actually consumed and what awaits them on judgment day.
 
Elzee said:
I pray someone more technically savvy than me can burn this to a cd-rom, along with clips from “Revival Bingo”, and articles about what happened and send them to Rome. Can anybody from this forum do that?
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Don’t worry. I’m sure that’s in the works right now, thus the videotaping. Unfortunately, there’s way more than that.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
Nope, seriously wondering if it’s a sin for a man to wear women’s clothes? I can’t see why it would be. And if the people at his parish aren’t bothered by it, and if to that person it doesn’t seem disrespectful to God, is it sinful to wear them to mass? Sorry if this should go in a new thread, but it seems relevant here.
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If I who am a man decided to put on earrings and a dress to go to Mass next Sunday would I be sinning? A lot of people bring children to Mass if I wore a teeshirt which says god is a myth would I be sinning? Would I be causing those children to be confused and maybe have bad dreams? Would I be showing disrespect to thoese around me? Would I be disrespecting the Body of Christ. The list of would I could be endless but the answer is simple. We sin if we intentionally do something which we know will injure others.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
Nope, seriously wondering if it’s a sin for a man to wear women’s clothes? I can’t see why it would be. And if the people at his parish aren’t bothered by it, and if to that person it doesn’t seem disrespectful to God, is it sinful to wear them to mass? Sorry if this should go in a new thread, but it seems relevant here.
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It is the sin of scandal. It is disrepectful. No matter how many find such things acceptable objectively they are not acceptable.
 
BTW, I notice that people here are falling for the “they’re just over-accessorizing” idea in regards to the SPI. Sorry. First of all transvestites are denying their nature. Second, cross dressing is hardly their only offense. I think this is quite lost on the majority of people because of the attempted spins on this. I’d google the SPI before you buy into them being simply poor over-accessorizers.
 
bear06 said:
I’d google the SPI before you buy into them being simply poor over-accessorizers.
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Oh my gosh, they actually have “orders” in other parts of the world. Satan really does hate the Catholic Church.
 
geraldffff said:
If I who am a man decided to put on earrings and a dress to go to Mass next Sunday would I be sinning? A lot of people bring children to Mass if I wore a teeshirt which says god is a myth would I be sinning? Would I be causing those children to be confused and maybe have bad dreams? Would I be showing disrespect to thoese around me? Would I be disrespecting the Body of Christ. The list of would I could be endless but the answer is simple. We sin if we intentionally do something which we know will injure others.
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A millstone might be an appropriate accessory. 😃
 
After all that has happened, I’m disguisted. Point blank. Disguisted.
On one hand, people are going after the Bishop, saying things, after the fact he has appoligesed. People are debating the, what if’s. The what should be done. The what could of been done.
I meen this with all respect, but I feel satin is distracting us with the sin of others. That he is enjoying how mad we all are, and enjoying the distraction it has caused in the wake of this horrable event.😦
 
adam_in_ohio said:
… but I feel satin is distracting us with the sin of others. That he is enjoying how mad we all are, and enjoying the distraction it has caused in the wake of this horrable event.😦
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On the contrary, I personally think Satan would be happier if we weren’t angry because it would mean there is now total complacency - probably one of his final objectives. I can hear the plan now: *“I’ll continually beat them down until they get tired of being angry and tired of fighting for the true Church and the Lord and tired of their wayward leaders doing nothing out of fear. Eventually they’ll be quiet and give up”. *

THAT is what Satan wants - acceptable sacrilege and blasphemy, not justifiable outrage.

May God gives us all the stamina to never give up.
 
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