"Well, I'm Catholic and I'm pro-choice..."

[vern_humphrey]

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this is the point on which my friends disagree with the Catholic Church. They say the emotional damage of birthing the child and then putting it up for adoption will be greater than having an abortion.

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That’s pretty sick…I can’t imagine having my child in me and choosing to kill my child rather than put him or her up for adoption.
*I suppose the real trick to being able to say such a thing is out of sight, out of mind. Often it is several weeks before the baby can be felt. The mother can’t feel her baby or see her baby or hear her baby. *
How does this desensitization occur? Are we so detached from blood, murder, pain and gore, death and suffering? How strange.

She’s making my point for me – the “mental health” problems that “justify” abortioni deveole into (“Like, I’d feel reeeeeely, reeeeeely bad if I had to have this baby.”

 

[Aramis]

Most of my female friends who have had abortions have wound up unable to get/remain pregnant now that they want to.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Most of my female friends who have had abortions have wound up unable to get/remain pregnant now that they want to.

Perhaps God is not willing to entrust them with another human being.

 

[BillP]

“mental health” problems (“Like, I’d feel reeeeeely, reeeeeely bad if I had to have this baby.”)

It is simply not possible to engage in thoughtful debate or discussion with someone who doesn’t recognize the reality of menta health issues.

 

[kell0618]

If mental illness does not keep one from intercourse, it does not keep one from continuing on with the pregnancy and giving the child life through adoption.

Once intercourse occurs, whether by permission or rape, God then takes over. To say otherwise is to let your weakness of faith in God show.

 

[kell0618]

Please see this link about baby Corwin Matthew, now with the Lord.

Where was his choice?

 

[vern_humphrey]

It is simply not possible to engage in thoughtful debate or discussion with someone who doesn’t recognize the reality of menta health issues.

Are you leaving in a snit?

“Mental health issues” are undefined. Nor do they justify the murder of the most helpless and innocent amongst us.

 

[jbel90]

I enjoy being a catholic and I am against all forms of abortion. but I’m curious, what if a girl at the age of 13 or lower is raped and cannot handle the child? or what if both the mother and the child are in a situation where they will both die if the child is not aborted? what is the catholic viewpoint on situations like these?

 

[davidv]

I enjoy being a catholic and I am against all forms of abortion. but I’m curious, what if a girl at the age of 13 or lower is raped and cannot handle the child? or what if both the mother and the child are in a situation where they will both die if the child is not aborted? what is the catholic viewpoint on situations like these?

This is one more example of the innocent unjustly suffering the consequences of someone elses sin. But one sin never justifies another.

 

[Iowa_Mike]

I enjoy being a catholic and I am against all forms of abortion. but I’m curious, what if a girl at the age of 13 or lower is raped and cannot handle the child? or what if both the mother and the child are in a situation where they will both die if the child is not aborted? what is the catholic viewpoint on situations like these?

Another horror story designed make Church teaching look absurd or cold-hearted or just plain stupid? Since Church teaching on this matter is clear and has remained unchanged from the 1st century you will have to pardon me if I am suspicious of your motives here. I think Church teachings around the circumstances built into your question are very clear. Please refer to the CCC 2270 through 2275, if you are still confused ask a priest to help you understand.

Iowa Mike

 

[Jerome42]

I enjoy being a catholic and I am against all forms of abortion. but I’m curious, what if a girl at the age of 13 or lower is raped and cannot handle the child? or what if both the mother and the child are in a situation where they will both die if the child is not aborted? what is the catholic viewpoint on situations like these?

This is another rediculousy **absurd horror scenario **intend solely at attempting to justiffy a moral wrong.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I enjoy being a catholic and I am against all forms of abortion. but I’m curious, what if a girl at the age of 13 or lower is raped and cannot handle the child? or what if both the mother and the child are in a situation where they will both die if the child is not aborted? what is the catholic viewpoint on situations like these?

Lets separate the apples from the oranges.

In the case of rape, the unborn child is as much a victim as the mother. Rape becomes a crime where the victim faces the death penalty – and without a trial or right of appeal. Which is doubly ironic, because the rapist cannot be put to death.

In the case of a tubal pregnancy – where the child is growing in the fallopian tube, and both mother and child will die if nothing is done, the Church recongnizes the morality of saving the mother – this is an example of “double effect,” where the intent is to save the mother and the death of the child is seen as inevatible.

 

[Godi]

That statement in and of it self is an oxymoron. Can you be a Catholic & not believe and live accordingly? That would be a hypocrite. Why would someone profess to be someone or something they do not believe in or accept? This is not a cafeteria, you can not pick & choose what you will believe and not believe.You are either Catholic or something other.

 

[Sheeniac]

Here’s something that I haven’t seen addressed… I was speaking with some good friends who are both relatively orthodox in their Catholicism. Both felt abortion was a bad thing, but that before so many women died from black market abortions. If we were to make it illegal, this situation would occur again. Thus, keeping it legal helps save the lives of women who would have an abortion one way or another.

I replied that the situation pre-Roe was not anywhere near as bad as they said it was. But my reply fell short.

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[TheApologist]

Here’s something that I haven’t seen addressed… I was speaking with some good friends who are both relatively orthodox in their Catholicism. Both felt abortion was a bad thing, but that before so many women died from black market abortions. If we were to make it illegal, this situation would occur again. Thus, keeping it legal helps save the lives of women who would have an abortion one way or another.

I replied that the situation pre-Roe was not anywhere near as bad as they said it was. But my reply fell short.

Any help would be appreciated.

90% of the “back alley” abortions were performed illegally by phycisians.

I believe… that there are more abortion deaths now than then, but I’m not sure.

Also, impress upon them that legal doesn’t always mean safe. Talk about the very unsafe side of abortion like the high rate of post abortion nightmares of the abortion and such.

 

[Godi]

God Bless you for talking to these people & trying to reason with them. I don’t know if I could as that senario is so revolting and repugnant. Do they realize that they bear some responsibility for millions of dead innocent babies? If all the “Christians” refused to support abortion politicians & voted with the morals & ethics of the Churchs teaching, instead of wanting to be identified with a certain party, abortion would be history. I pray for their souls.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Here’s something that I haven’t seen addressed… I was speaking with some good friends who are both relatively orthodox in their Catholicism. Both felt abortion was a bad thing, but that before so many women died from black market abortions. If we were to make it illegal, this situation would occur again. Thus, keeping it legal helps save the lives of women who would have an abortion one way or another.

I replied that the situation pre-Roe was not anywhere near as bad as they said it was. But my reply fell short.

Any help would be appreciated.

A small percentage of people who have any surgical procedure die. But in an abortion 100% of the babies die. So where should our sympathy lie?

If someone said to you, “I’d like to rob a bank, but with the police and all, it’s so risky” would you think we should abolish the police?

 

[DanteAlighieri]

Here’s something that I haven’t seen addressed… I was speaking with some good friends who are both relatively orthodox in their Catholicism. Both felt abortion was a bad thing, but that before so many women died from black market abortions. If we were to make it illegal, this situation would occur again. Thus, keeping it legal helps save the lives of women who would have an abortion one way or another.

I replied that the situation pre-Roe was not anywhere near as bad as they said it was. But my reply fell short.

Any help would be appreciated.

The “people are going to do it anyway” and “if it’s legal, at least we can keep it safe” arguments are a load of hogwash. Either something is wrong, or it isn’t.

Peace,
Dante

 

[Bob_Byrnes]

Yeah, that’s what I was getting across to them. “God is not pro-choice.” “I’m Catholic…i.e. pro-life.” I can’t remember if I said, “You can’t be Catholic and pro-choice” or not.

There is an inference here that “pro-choice” is “pro-abortion”. That’s not very good logic. I am pro-choice but ant -abortion. I believe women should have the right to choose but they should not choose abortion. We were all born with the gift of a free will. One of God’s greatest gifts. God says you are free to choose good or evil but that does not make Him pro evil. Come to think of it, being pro free will is certainly pro-choice. It seems to me that God was the quintessential pro choicer when He decided to create us with a free will. Clearly you can be a Catholic and be a free choicer…you cannot be a Catholic and be pro-abortion.

 

[vern_humphrey]

There is an inference here that “pro-choice” is “pro-abortion”.

That’s intellectually dishonest. “Pro-choice” is “pro-abortion” no matter how you try to spin it.

That’s not very good logic. I am pro-choice but ant -abortion.

You are fooling yourself. Ask yourself this, if a man should choose to murder his wife, would you be “pro-choice” in that case?

I believe women should have the right to choose but they should not choose abortion. We were all born with the gift of a free will. One of God’s greatest gifts. God says you are free to choose good or evil but that does not make Him pro evil. Come to think of it, being pro free will is certainly pro-choice. It seems to me that God was the quintessential pro choicer when He decided to create us with a free will. Clearly you can be a Catholic and be a free choicer…you cannot be a Catholic and be pro-abortion.

You cannot be a Catholic and accept the decision to kill a living human being, without due process of law lies solely in the descretion of another human being.