What’s at Stake for PBS Viewers? Budget Cuts Could Harm More Than Big Bird and Elmo

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Liberals are 100% free to send lots of money to keep PBS afloat! Oh, but it is so much easier to make others pay for it, huh? Couldn’t PBS money go to feed the poor? The children? Single moms? Global warming research?

Riddle me this, Batman: why should those who oppose the consistently leftist PBS propaganda be forced to pay for it? That violation of moderate and conservative consciences a matter of social justice.
 
po18guy said:
Liberals are 100% free to send lots of money to keep PBS afloat! Oh, but it is so much easier to make others pay for it, huh? Couldn’t PBS money go to feed the poor? The children? Single moms? Global warming research?

Riddle me this, Batman: why should those who oppose the consistently leftist PBS propaganda be forced to pay for it? That violation of moderate and conservative consciences a matter of social justice.
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However, so many of the PBS programs are NOT “leftist propaganda” and don’t involve politics at all. They involve the performing arts, history, science, religion, wildlife, children’s educational shows. These are programs that benefit everyone, their mind and their spirit. After all, man does not live by bread alone.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Social Security is not welfare.

Beneficiaries paid into it for all of their working lives and will not collect back what they paid in.

I know you hate Social Security and it comes across as a little insulting to us seniors, when say it’s welfare.

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Your claiming it is not welfare does not determine whether or not it is welfare. Welfare programs take from those who work and give to those who won’t work. Also, the benefits received are not related to what people pay in. Many people have received much more in social security payments than they paid in. Some will get less than they paid in. It also has affected work effort, after all, why work when you can collect the dole.

fff.org/explore-freedom/article/is-social-security-welfare/
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Your claiming it is not welfare does not determine whether or not it is welfare. Welfare programs take from those who work and give to those who won’t work. Also, the benefits received are not related to what people pay in. Many people have received much more in social security payments than they paid in. Some will get less than they paid in. It also has affected work effort, after all, why work when you can collect the dole.

fff.org/explore-freedom/article/is-social-security-welfare/
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Your claim that it is welfare doesn’t make it so. It is not means tested, unlike welfare. Benefits are directly related to one paying into the system. It is clearly poorly designed, unconstitutional, corrupted by politicians who have stolen the contributions for political purposes. But it is not welfare.
 
JonNC said:
Your claim that it is welfare doesn’t make it so. It is not means tested, unlike welfare. Benefits are directly related to one paying into the system. It is clearly poorly designed, unconstitutional, corrupted by politicians who have stolen the contributions for political purposes. But it is not welfare.
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Your claim that it is not welfare does not make it so. Benefits are not directly related to what people pay into the system. Some people pay nothing into the system and get huge benefits. Others pay thousands into the system and get nothing. It is a massive government redistribution system which takes from those who work and gives to those who won’t work.
 
I really don’t care if SS is or is not welfare. It’s a wonderful program, as are many welfare programs.
 
Wesrock said:
I really don’t care if SS is or is not welfare. It’s a wonderful program, as are many welfare programs.
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People tend to like government programs where other people are required to sacrifice for them. The problem is, social security and medicare are bankrupting our country and neither republicans nor democrats care enough about future generations to do anything about it.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Your claim that it is not welfare does not make it so. Benefits are not directly related to what people pay into the system. Some people pay nothing into the system and get huge benefits. Others pay thousands into the system and get nothing.
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As I said, it is a poorly designed system, corrupt and unconstitutional. It is inherently unfair for the reason you mentioned, but by that fact that people pay in return for a specific benefit means it is not welfare.
It is a massive government redistribution system which takes from those who work and gives to those who won’t work
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This is a complete mischaracterization. It has taken from those who work and, ostensibly, give it back when they stop working. In that way, it is precisely like a retirement fund, its myriad flaws notwithstanding.
 
JonNC said:
As I said, it is a poorly designed system, corrupt and unconstitutional. It is inherently unfair for the reason you mentioned, but by that fact that people pay in return for a specific benefit means it is not welfare.
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The problem is that the people do not pay for a specific benefit. They pay for whatever the government deems it ought to give them. For example, there are some who pay zero into the system and still get money out. There are those who pay thousands and get nothing. The benefits are solely at the whim of the government. The government can change those benefits at anytime without legal consequence.
This is a complete mischaracterization. It has taken from those who work and, ostensibly, give it back when they stop working. In that way, it is precisely like a retirement fund, its myriad flaws notwithstanding.
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Actually, you are the one who is mischaracterizing things. Money is not taken and held to be given back. Money is taken one one group (workers) and given to another group (mostly those who are too lazy to work). So there is no money to give back, only money that can be confiscated from someone else. Like I have said before, two wrongs don’t make a right.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
The problem is that the people do not pay for a specific benefit. They pay for whatever the government deems it ought to give them. For example, there are some who pay zero into the system and still get money out. There are those who pay thousands and get nothing. The benefits are solely at the whim of the government. The government can change those benefits at anytime without legal consequence.

Actually, you are the one who is mischaracterizing things. Money is not taken and held to be given back. Money is taken one one group (workers) and given to another group (mostly those who are too lazy to work). So there is no money to give back, only money that can be confiscated from someone else. Like I have said before, two wrongs don’t make a right.
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In the first part, you are responding at the corruption of the system by politicians, not to the basic system itself. It n pays in contributions throughout one’s working life and receive benefits in return at retirement. People on welfare have not paid in in exchange for benefits.

In the second you are, again, responding to the corruption of politicians who have abused the trust fund. The money paid in was supposed to be used in a trust fund for the benefit of those who pay in. It is flawed, to be sure, but it is not a welfare program.
If I have paid money in, with a promise of a return, it is not a wrong to expect that return.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Your claiming it is not welfare does not determine whether or not it is welfare. Welfare programs take from those who work and give to those who won’t work. Also, the benefits received are not related to what people pay in. Many people have received much more in social security payments than they paid in. Some will get less than they paid in. It also has affected work effort, after all, why work when you can collect the dole.

fff.org/explore-freedom/article/is-social-security-welfare/
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You have your right to hold Libertarian viewpoints as does Laurence Vance (author of your quoted article) and the Future of Freedom Foundation (fff.org) which identifies itself as Libertarian.

The problem with Mr Vance’s arguments is that they are incomplete. Many people pay more in insurance than they receive from it (car, house, etc). Some receive more. Yet these insurances are not welfare.

And if you consistently “collect the dole” you have not paid into Social Security and will not receive benefits based on your earnings.

The Future of Freedom Foundation & Libertarianism have their own distinct views. But it does not help them when they misconstrue the facts.
 
JonNC said:
Not just judgemental, but inaccurate in the vast majority of cases.
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Actually, it is very accurate in the vast majority of cases. In the 1880s, around 75% of men over 65 were in the labor force. Today it is around 17%, so at a time when we are much healthier and more able to work, we are much less likely to work. Now if someone wants to pay their own way, I have no problem with whether they choose to work or not work. But I have a problem with sacrificing for those who are able to work but are too lazy to work.
 
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Actually, it is very accurate in the vast majority of cases. In the 1880s, around 75% of men over 65 were in the labor force. Today it is around 17%, so at a time when we are much healthier and more able to work, we are much less likely to work. Now if someone wants to pay their own way, I have no problem with whether they choose to work or not work. But I have a problem with sacrificing for those who are able to work but are too lazy to work.
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I think the accusation that those who have retired, as a blanket statement, is a matter of the eighth commandment. I’m not willing to make such a statement. It is a matter of fact that people over 66 can work, if they choose, while they receive the money owed them by SS. It is not a matter of either/or
 
JonNC said:
I think the accusation that those who have retired, as a blanket statement, is a matter of the eighth commandment. I’m not willing to make such a statement
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Personally, I have a problem with giving the dole to those who are able to work.
 
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