What’s the most irritating pro-abortion argument you’ve heard?

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His values aren’t built on the same principles as yours. If he doesn’t see the unborn as human, it’s not murder to abort them. You can’t be outraged when people who don’t share your morals violate your morals, that’s not how this works. I’m defending him because he’s being a reasonable, interesting discussion partner and it’s uncharitable and unproductive to attack him in the way you are.
 
jan10000 said:
I have made this simple example. Why not make a law stating that any childless couple with income greater than 100K or single person over the age of 30 with income over $70K must support a child - either directly via adoption or foster care or indirectly through direct additional taxation and funding of foster agencies? This would solve the problem and allow us to ban abortions effectively.
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If such a law was passed would you support banning abortion?
 
when it gets rolled in as part of “women’s health,” or “reproductive health.”
 
jan10000 said:
Why not make a law stating that any childless couple with income greater than 100K or single person over the age of 30 with income over $70K must support a child - either directly via adoption or foster care or indirectly through direct additional taxation and funding of foster agencies? This would solve the problem and allow us to ban abortions effectively.
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This arrangement infringes on a person’s right to choose to not have children.
 
jan10000 said:
You cannot force a woman to carry a fetus without appropriate safety net policies and funding in place.
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No, no one can force anyone to do anything. However, actions have consequences. And if a woman gets pregnant, that is the result of her choice. Why should I pay for her choice to get pregnant or bribe her to keep it by a social safety net?
 
If you can’t see that the difference between your moral codes makes it murder to you and not to him, then there’s no point in you being part of this discussion. If you don’t seek to understand, then you won’t change any minds.
 
jan10000 said:
I have made this simple example. Why not make a law stating that any childless couple with income greater than 100K or single person over the age of 30 with income over $70K must support a child - either directly via adoption or foster care or indirectly through direct additional taxation and funding of foster agencies? This would solve the problem and allow us to ban abortions effectively.
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I support the proposal, but it’s not likely that will happen.
JoeFreedom said:
No, no one can force anyone to do anything. However, actions have consequences . And if a woman gets pregnant, that is the result of her choice. Why should I pay for her choice to get pregnant or bribe her to keep it by a social safety net?
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It helps her take care of the child.
 
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I would, if they didn’t think they were people. You need to convince pro-choice people that fetuses are people first, then say abortion is murder second. That is, of course, assuming you want to have a productive discussion and don’t want to just sit on the moral high ground and call people murderers all day.
 
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jan10000 said:
That means you approve of abortion in cases of rape or statutory rape.
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No. NO. And absolutely NO. Where did you get that idea?
jan10000 said:
How can people call themselves pro-life and then just drop these children and women like garbage?
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I just do not believe it should be the government’s job to provide for them. Do it through charity organizations and the church and individual contributions. Not CENTRALIZED government.
jan10000 said:
A true pro-life person would not bring money or there own personal freedoms into the discussion.
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So you are calling me not a true pro-life person? Sick.
 
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Holy cow. You believe the Democrats are going to solve the problem of abortion? They are outright in favor of abortion and support abortion up to and in some sick cases, past birth.

I am 100% truly pro-life in every respect. And closing down ABORTION clinics is one thing that I will support. . . .
 
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Elf01 said:
I have made this simple example. Why not make a law stating that any childless couple with income greater than 100K or single person over the age of 30 with income over $70K must support a child - either directly via adoption or foster care or indirectly through direct additional taxation and funding of foster agencies? This would solve the problem and allow us to ban abortions effectively.
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I don’t think lack of money is the only cause or even the main cause behind many abortions. Fear of pain, shame and inconvenience plays a huge role too.
 
thelovelyone said:
That’s true but until then people will continue to abort. But isn’t adoption also an option?
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Adoption technically is, but the emotional and mental strain on women is too large for women without support to consider that an option. They need strong support networks to get to a point where adoption becomes an option, because a baby needs to be born to be adopted.
David_Catholic said:
They already know they’re people. They just don’t care
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They don’t. That’s the entire point I’m trying to make. Look, if you’re not interested in being constructive and listening to others, then leave this discussion. There’s no place in discourse for those who refuse to engage in conversation.
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman I feel bad for women who have to go through this, but I don’t agree with abortion. I still respect your opinion though.
 
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You have to realise, though, that you aren’t doing anything when you take away legal abortions from women who feel like it’s their only option. They will seek an illegal one, not just sit there and pout. People need an alternative option, not a blanket ban and an “I’m sorry you’re in this situation.”
 
Elf01 said:
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Freddy:
You’d be better off asking if I’d save a child over an adult.
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OK, would you save a child over an adult?
Freddy said:
The 5 and 6 year old would be an arbitrary decision.
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And those who refuse to answer may feel the same.
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I’d save the child. I’m not sure there’d be anyone who wouldn’t. And those who refuse to answer? They never say it’s because it’s an arbitrary decision. Not once have I ever seen that answer. And it’s plainly obvious, because it’s not an arbitrary decision. We’d all make a decision. And that decision is based on how we value each of the choices.

If it’s my daughter or a random stranger then I save my daughter. If it’s an adult or a child then I save the child. If it’s a frozen embryo or a young girl then I save the young girl. Do you seriously know anyone who wouldn’t make those decisions? And don’t you know why they make the decisions they do? Of course you do. It’s because of how they apportion value.

So that’s why some people refuse to answer. Because they know what their choice would be but the choice would confirm that it was based on value. And if you value a child more than an embryo then that has implications that some people simply don’t want to address.

So be it. Don’t address it. Use terms like murder and slaughter when talking about abortion. Carry on as you have been doing if you think that will help in any way to reduce the number of abortions.

Take it from me that it won’t.
 
David_Catholic said:
jan10000:
I can’t take pro-life people seriously unless they are willing to sacrifice to solve the problem.
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Then I guess I can’t take people who don’t support murdering gay people seriously until they take every single gay person into their house.
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If someone thinks murder is wrong and they could actually prevent a murder by taking a potential victim into their house or by arranging a safe environment for them at whatever financial cost then they obviously would do so.

Your turn now:

‘If someone thinks abortion is wrong …’

How do you fill in the rest?
 
JoeFreedom said:
So you are calling me not a true pro-life person? Sick.
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You did say you didn’t want to support them financially.
thelovelyone said:
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman I feel bad for women who have to go through this, but I don’t agree with abortion. I still respect your opinion though.
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Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman is not pro-choice.
Freddy said:
I’d save the child. I’m not sure there’d be anyone who wouldn’t. And those who refuse to answer?
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I did answer.
 
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