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Freddy
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You chose one over the other to indicate there was no preference.
OK…
What would choosing Trump over Biden indicate?
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OK…
What would choosing Trump over Biden indicate?
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VanitasVanitatum
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You wouldn’t accept “I would save both.” I guess I could have said that it would be an arbitrary decision, but I didn’t think of it at the time.
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on_the_hill
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What I can’t take seriously is when pro-choice people play the game of “if I get pregnant you have to pay for it.”
How about don’t get pregnant? How about be responsible? Pregnancy isn’t an accident.
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How about don’t get pregnant? How about be responsible? Pregnancy isn’t an accident.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Providing asstance for rearing the child and better adoption services will also help too.
That’s true that it is distasteful, but the child shouldn’t be left deprived just because of the father and mother.
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on_the_hill
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I don’t mean to put the burden on the child. What I’m against is the lame argument that pro-life people should be willing to pay a ransom imposed by pro-choice extortionists.
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Freddy
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Apologies…double post.
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VanitasVanitatum
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I know it’s awfully convenient, but the other alternative is worse. Maybe just moving the money used for Planned Parenthood can be moved instead and improving adoption services and making them more avalable and known will balance it out.
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Freddy
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Maybe better contraception? But anyway, a pregnancy which is unwanted is an accident. The woman didn’t want it to happen. And there are many reasons for that happening. Personal responsibility is obviously a major factor. But that, equally obviously, isn’t effective all the time.
If that’s your only contribution, then thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
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VanitasVanitatum
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That’s probably not even possible and the gamble will likely fail at some point.
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Freddy
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Do I understand you correctly? Would you be willing to pay something extra in taxes for example to give women a choice to have their child adopted rather than aborted?
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Freddy
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As opposed to opening your home or helping someone financially to do the same? OK, fair enough.Freddy:
Block the entrance to a slaughterhouse.
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Elf01
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Yes, I would support encouraging couples to adopt and support for women who want to raise their children.Elf01:
That is what I said. Would you be willing to adopt or fund the massive influx of children and unemployment and economic issues? I am all for it.
I’m pleasently surprised that you don’t support abortion in the case of rape.
JoeFreedom
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If you read exactly what I wrote, I said “Why should I pay for her choice to get pregnant or bribe her to keep it by a social safety net?”
So I will take the blame here for not being more clear. I neglected to say that when I hear “social safety net”, that means “centralized government program that takes my tax dollars through coercion and redistributes them inefficiently to others in masse rather than letting me use them through individual choice and provide dollars to local charities”.
So, no, it is not that I don’t want to support them, I just do not want it to be through a larger “social welfare” program.
This way, people can decide to say when and where their dollars get used. But on the other side of the token, people should not be running around having “you know what” and having babies out of wedlock. There is a fine line between endorsing that behavior and providing relief services.
So I will take the blame here for not being more clear. I neglected to say that when I hear “social safety net”, that means “centralized government program that takes my tax dollars through coercion and redistributes them inefficiently to others in masse rather than letting me use them through individual choice and provide dollars to local charities”.
So, no, it is not that I don’t want to support them, I just do not want it to be through a larger “social welfare” program.
This way, people can decide to say when and where their dollars get used. But on the other side of the token, people should not be running around having “you know what” and having babies out of wedlock. There is a fine line between endorsing that behavior and providing relief services.
JoeFreedom
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This is laughable and shows exactly why we will not be able to have an honest conversation. Except in cases of rape (which are statistically very low), people choose to have sex. The natural ends of this is pregnancy, during normal cycles. Should one attempt to prevent this but still get pregnant anyway, whose fault is that? Or should one not prevent it and get pregnant, whose fault is that?
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VanitasVanitatum
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This is an important distinction that isn’t self-evident so it’s good to specify.
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VanitasVanitatum
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That’s just as unlikely to work as abstinence.
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Abrosz
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What do you mean “work”?
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VanitasVanitatum
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People aren’t going to follow it, it certainly isn’t novel or hard to figure out.
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VanitasVanitatum
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I don’t care for any of that, but the obvious problems is that nobody sticks to just that.
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