What can be done to stop gun violence

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John10 said:
Background check on ALL gun sales everywhere, with no exception is a must.
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But what is the criteria that makes a person fit or unfit to own a gun?

My husband has been on anti-depressants (prescribed) and under the care of a psychiatrist and psychologist for decades. He is completely compliant, and has no history of violent behavior or talk. Should he be denied the right to own a gun?
 
Of course we have a gun problem.

We should treat guns as we treat cars:

License
Registration
Insurance
Education and ability to use. Not everyone passes a road test.
Then I’d add background check and psychological profile.

These suggestions are apparently too cumbersome. So basically what we can do is pray.
 
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I do not think allowing someone who is under the care of a psychiatrist, psychologist and depressed access to guns a good idea.

What makes you “fit or unfit” depends on various risk factors, but those who are under psychological treatment should not be allowed. The risk is too high.
 
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As to the OP: WRONG QUESTION!

Guns are not violent. Knives are not violent. Blunt objects are not violent. Rocks are not violent. Cars - which kill 37,000 innocent souls yearly, are not violent. Licensing and registration of both cars and drivers has not curtailed the bloodshed!

Rahter: What can be done about the suicidal , the homicidal and the intoxicated driver?

We make progress while respecting freedom if we address those issues.

Murder has always been illegal. What further firearms-related law will ultimately deter the violent or mentally disturbed? We hear constantly that the death penalty is no deterrant. OK, so how will any other law be a deterrant? Let’s be consistent here.

It is very popular to hear: “Well, it shouldn’t be so easy to get a gun.” OK, does that mean that murder is fine as long as it takes a little longer?

Not understanding the logic in that.
 
Jimbo said:
One thing I heard once, that would be opposed by the gun people, was basically a form of registration in which the guns ballistics are mapped. So we know, and could track, any bullet that came out of that gun.
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The problem with this is the fact that part of the reason for the 2nd amendment is to allow the people to ability to overthrow a tyrannical govt.

With registration, a crooked govt would know where the gun owners are could stage a first wave attack by sending in SS like evil, secret army after the gun owners as the first stage of a communist or fascist takeover of our country.

That’s why registration is viewed as unconstitutional by the NRA and some people on the right. It gives a potentially evil US govt the location of all people who are able to wage a guerrilla war against them.
 
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vern_humphrey said:
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John10:
Correct, however easy access to guns makes suicide much more effective.
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The Japanese seem to do very well without guns.
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Apples and oranges. Extremely homogeneous culture, and not much freedom.
 
John10 said:
I do not think allowing someone who is under the care of a psychiatrist, psychologist and depressed access to guns a good idea.

What makes you “fit or unfit” depends on various risk factors, but those who are under psychological treatment should not be allowed. The risk is too high.
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I disagree. And I think that many other people with various mental and emotional illnesses who have never been inclined towards violence or self-destruction would say the same. With treatment, they are fit to own a gun.

Do you see the difficulties of “background checks?” I write novels, and some of them have violence–should I be forbidden by law to own a gun?
 
There is no difficulty, there is only a lack of will.

I would need to see how giving easy access to guns to mentally and emotionally ill people will help lower the USA gun violence problem. It just does not make sense. If anything it will simply worsen an already serious problem.
 
John10 said:
If they had laws as weak as the USA, their suicide rate would be worse not better.
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Do you have any data to back that up?

I note that in your diagrams there is no mention of jumping off bridges or buildings.
 
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John10 said:
The above research does help to prove how easy access to guns and higher suicide rates are indeed related.
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No, it only proves people who are serious about suicide choose the quickest method available.
 
vern_humphrey said:
No, it only proves people who are serious about suicide choose the quickest method available
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You have not even read the article, quoting from it:

“It is often said that people would kill themselves anyway, even if they didn’t have access to guns,” Dr Nestadt said.

“There is an entire body of research that tells us that is simply not true.”

He pointed to previous research which found 71 per cent of people acted on suicidal thoughts within an hour of having them.

“If there is no gun around, many people won’t have the means to follow through on those impulses, or would use a less lethal method with a much greater chance of survival,” Dr Nestadt said.
 
John10 said:
“If there is no gun around, many people won’t have the means to follow through on those impulses, or would use a less lethal method with a much greater chance of survival,” Dr Nestadt said.
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Really? There’s a nation-wide shortage of razor blades and rope?
 
Do you have research to back up your claim that easy access to guns lead to lower suicide rates?
 
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