What can be done to stop gun violence

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Exactly. Rural areas don’t have these problems. They have other problems sure, but murder isn’t one of them.
I don’t want to offend anyone here, but what I see is OCD. “It HAS to be the guns! It can’t be anything else!”
I see a lot of OCD on the other side too.

“I can’t live without guns even though so muxh gun violence is happening - so we’ll just have to change basically the whole of society and culture instead of slightly making it.more difficult for some of us to own some types of gun”

News flash- 2nd amendment and easy access to guns ARE the culture. And if they are so brilliant why aren’t countries around the world rushing to increase civilian access to guns instead of the opposite.
 
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And if they are so brilliant why aren’t countries around the world rushing to increase civilian access to guns instead of the opposite.
Despots around the globe don’t want to have to contend with an armed populace when their policies become unpopular?
Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the UK are all despotic? The overwhelming majority of the countries of the WORLD are despotic? Of course they are … and I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you.
 
Pardon my editorial and linguistic license.

I say again, apples and oranges. The cultures could not be more different. Comparisons are non sequiturs.

In the gutter world of politics, it utterly amazes me the contortions of logic that are applied to argue against basic freedoms. Those freedoms are foundational, as in the foundation of a structure.

We are chipping away at the foundation rather than setting traps for the rats. No foundation, no house. No house, no rats. Not only does the emperor have no clothes, we then have no house.

Since when did freedom - as a concept - become evil? Nicking a line from Orwell’s Animal Farm, are some freedoms more equal than others?
 
“I can’t live without guns even though so muxh gun violence is happening - so we’ll just have to change basically the whole of society and culture instead of slightly making it.more difficult for some of us to own some types of gun”
I don’t mean to offend, but I think this is an imaginary quote. If you’re actually quoting someone, please say who you’re quoting.
 
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would need to see how giving easy access to guns to mentally and emotionally ill people will help lower the USA gun violence problem.
Who said it would?

Would you consider it unfair if I posted, “I can’t see how gun control will reduce the impact of flu?” Of course you would! Because if I did that I would be projecting on you an argument you never made.
 
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“If there is no gun around, many people won’t have the means to follow through on those impulses, or would use a less lethal method with a much greater chance of survival,” Dr Nestadt said.
You are dismissing the article arguments, but offer no research to back that up.
 
You’d think Tucson Fire Captains would be a good guys with a gun, wouldn’t you?
I also mentioned “murders of passion” in another post. I neglected to mention that in this particular post, but did in another post.
 
Repeal the Second Amendment to the US Constitution and substitute sensible gun control federal law. The U.S. does not have a “well-regulated” citizens’ militia as the 2nd amendment presupposes.
 
Repeal the Second Amendment to the US Constitution and substitute sensible gun control federal law.
Amending the Bill of Rights would be the sensible thing, because all gun control is patently Unconstitutional. We are breaking the law. We need to stop breaking the law. If we can’t gather the political will (supermajority) to amend the Bill of Rights, then we should face the reality that we are stuck with it, and it says and I quote “shall not be infringed,” and there’s no possibility that we’re obeying that law right now in any state county or municipality.
The U.S. does not have a “well-regulated” citizens’ militia as the 2nd amendment presupposes.
Yes we do. I’m one of them. We are invisible because that’s what our Unconstitutional gun control laws have forced us to be by default, but we are here and the limit on how well regulated we are, is set by all Unconstitutional gun control laws. We carry weapons of war on our streets at all times, within the limits of gun control laws. Those limits are extremely tight, and one of them is that we must hide that we’re minutemen. That’s just the statute in most places in America.
 
Maybe if we renamed it the “Rainbow Amendment”, people would leave it alone. After all, same sex attracted souls also have the right to self-defense.
 
I am surprised that the Catholic Answers author never reference the Church, not has anyone here, so I will throw this out.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...tive-justice/backgrounder-on-gun-violence.cfm
For many years, the USCCB has supported a number of reasonable measures to address the problem of gun violence. These include:
  • A total ban on assault weapons, which the USCCB supported when the ban passed in 1994 and when Congress failed to renew it in 2004.
  • Measures that control the sale and use of firearms, such as universal background checks for all gun purchases;
  • Limitations on civilian access to high-capacity weapons and ammunition magazines;
  • A federal law to criminalize gun trafficking;
  • Improved access to and increased resources for mental health care and earlier interventions;
  • Regulations and limitations on the purchasing of handguns;
  • Measures that make guns safer, such as locks that prevent children and anyone other than the owner from using the gun without permission and supervision; and
  • An honest assessment of the toll of violent images and experiences which inundate people, particularly our youth.
The USCCB also supports recent proposals to set a more appropriate minimum age for gun ownership, and to ban “bump stocks.” In addition, the USCCB supports wholistic measures, such as the promotion of mercy and peacebuilding in our communities through restorative justice policies and practices, ongoing encounters and discussions at the parish level regarding violence in communities.
 
…because all gun control is patently Unconstitutional. We are breaking the law. We need to stop breaking the law.
That’s not what the courts have held. And in our system they are the final arbiters of what is breaking the law.
…then we should face the reality that we are stuck with it, and it says and I quote “shall not be infringed,” and there’s no possibility that we’re obeying that law right now in any state county or municipality.
You only quoted half sentence, and not the half whose interpretation is in question. The part you omitted includes “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms”. Which people? Which Arms? Keep where? Bear where? There is a lot of room for interpretation.
Yes we do. I’m one of them.
The question of whether you are “well-regulated” is highly speculative.
 
Anyone who wants something bad enough can get it. Look at illicit drugs in this country.
But why make it easy for killers to gain access to guns, especially assault type weapons?
Outlaw these weapons, tighten up background checks, close the gun show loopholes for sales of guns, and encourage people to inform authorities about those who have spoken about possibly wanting to shoot someone else.
These are steps. If one life is saved, they are worth it.
 
Forceps and scalpels were invented to help save lives.
Assault type weapons were invented to maximize the taking of lives…
Your move…
 
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