What do you admire about islam/muslims?

[chrisse]

We have a couple of posters who are Muslims who wish to covert/have converted but still live in nations where they will be KILLED the second they admit it. What they say on here is amazingly the same as what R_Not and others post.

FOr the record, and she knows this, R_not and I have not always agreed on the approach that she takes. However, she does back up her claims and puts them where they can be refuted. Very few Muslims on here have attempted to do so. In fact, it is typically Christians who try.

R_not has more first hand experience living in totalitarian Muslim nations than most of this board combined. She has seen women executed for not covering, beaten for driving, and more. She has lived amongst those who claim there is no compulsion in religion then force you to hide what you are.

I agree.

Ignorance is bliss; there are many on this board who have wilfully submitted to bliss.

 

[hamba2han]

Genesis 17:3 "And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,"

Genesis 17:17 "Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?"

Exodus 34:8 "And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped."

Numbers 16:20-22 "And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?"

Joshua 5:14 "And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?"

Ezekiel 9:8 "And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?"

2 Chronicles 20:18 "And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD."

Ezekiel 11:13 "And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?"

Matthew 17:6 "And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid."

Matthew 26:39 "And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."

Although he would have absolutely hated seeing it, I believe that Satan truly admired the way how the Biblical Prophets (peace be upon them all) worshipped God.

Don’t Christians also admire the way how these Prophets prayed to their Lord?

 

[chrisse]

hamba2han, does satan admire that malaia thing your good muslimahs do? I know they’re good muslimahs because they are wearing their hijabs and you can’t see their hair. Satan must especially like it when they gyrate over each other. Satan must especially like it with families watching. Satan must like it as parents train their toddler daughters to get down on all fours and simulate the sex act. I CAN get links to this islamic cultural expression; I don’t keep them so I’ll need to catch up with someone later, but I can get them.

Tell me, hamba2han, do you think satan cares more about how people position themselves to pray or degradation and death of their soul?

 

[ralphinal]

Genesis 17:3 "And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,"

Genesis 17:17 "Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?"

Exodus 34:8 "And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped."

Numbers 16:20-22 "And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?"

Joshua 5:14 "And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?"

Ezekiel 9:8 "And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?"

2 Chronicles 20:18 "And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD."

Ezekiel 11:13 "And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?"

Matthew 17:6 "And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid."

Matthew 26:39 "And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."

Although he would have absolutely hated seeing it, I believe that Satan truly admired the way how the Biblical Prophets (peace be upon them all) worshipped God.

Don’t Christians also admire the way how these Prophets prayed to their Lord?

So the Bible is true in this, but Jesus is an untrustworthy LIER when he said that he would be crucified, die, and rise again THEN said that HE WAS CRUCIFIED, DID DIE, and DID RISE AGAIN!

I think Satan loves it when Muslims say that Jesus is a habitual lier.

 

[Bill_Pick]

There’s nothing about Islam to admire because it’s based on lies.

Only truth can be admired.

And thank You for telling the “TRUTH”

 

[algebra]

On the contrary, I would say that Satan admires things that most Christians do not.

For example, while Satan absolutely hates the following action that Muslims perform regularly, he nevertheless respects and admires it very much.

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Question is, do Christians admire it as well?

The fact that they are so very reluctant to do it themselves in their own prayers would surely mean that the answer is ‘No’.

Not sure where you get that information from Hamba.

Muslims learnt that form of prayer from the eastern churches.

I was fortunate to have attended a coptic ceremony and they pray in much the same way.

At the end of the day, pray in the way that you pray best is the most important thing by far.

Speaking for myself I prefer to pray in sajdah and continue to do so even in the Church.

No one has ever objected to me praying this way.

 

[LDNCatholic]

I do enjoy it when that old chestnut is brought out about Christians not prostrating or bowing during prayer.

 

[LDNCatholic]

It is dangerous if you are looking for a victim that will not fight back – because in me you have not found one.

I live in the midst of Muslims. Recently a father and brother strangled their daughter/sister because she would not wear the hijab to school. Now she lies in an unmarked grave which her family will not allow anyone else to memorialize. They want her to disappear, to be obliterated, for the crime of disobeying men.

There was also a Muslim who stabbed his daughter in law to death because his increasing demands for cash from her family (it was an arranged marriage) were finally too much for the family. He had previously imprisoned her and taken her child away and sent him to his homeland.

I think this kind of thinking and behaviour is dangerous. Silly me, eh?

Fight back? It would seem the interweb is serious business.

I also live ‘‘in the midst of Muslims’’, for the most part they are wonderful people, of course you get idiots in every colour caste and creed.

The sentiment you expressed, that Muslims are dangerous, that all Muslims are dangerous, reminds me of a couple of historical speeches. Tarring an entire people with one brush is dangerous as it can lead to terrible things.

I did not pick a ‘‘fight’’, I made a point in a discussion. You Canucks, always looking for a fight. Just like the Americans.

See what I did there?

 

[josie_L]

Fight back? It would seem the interweb is serious business.

I also live ‘‘in the midst of Muslims’’, for the most part they are wonderful people, of course you get idiots in every colour caste and creed.

The sentiment you expressed, that Muslims are dangerous, that all Muslims are dangerous, reminds me of a couple of historical speeches. Tarring an entire people with one brush is dangerous as it can lead to terrible things.

I did not pick a ‘‘fight’’, I made a point in a discussion. You Canucks, always looking for a fight. Just like the Americans.

See what I did there?

Of course, you get idiots (so you think it’s “idiotic” to kill your daughter for not wearing a hijab) in every colour, caste and creed, the point being made here by some of the posters (R_not, Chrisse, Charlotte, Appleby et al.) is that Islam allows for such evils to be committed all in the name of God. I know good Muslim people too, however, they are good inspite of what the Koran teaches. If all Muslims truly practiced their beliefs as per the Koran, we as Christians and Non-christians would be in a whole heap of trouble. God Bless, Peter!

 

[algebra]

I did not pick a ‘‘fight’’, I made a point in a discussion. You Canucks, always looking for a fight. Just like the Americans.

oi hold on there buddy, canucks are not americans.

we dont sound like them, we dont eat like them, we dont live like them.

We just like to sit up here in the great white north, and be ignored by the rest of the world.

 

[LDNCatholic]

oi hold on there buddy, canucks are not americans.

we dont sound like them, we dont eat like them, we dont live like them.

We just like to sit up here in the great white north, and be ignored by the rest of the world.

Mate, I said, ‘‘Just like Americans’’. Besides, I was trying to show how stupid blanket statements about an entire people were.

Besides, I like Canadians…you guys make a good…maple syrup? And also something about lumberjacks and the word ‘‘aboot’’. See…I can be nice

Also, I would love to hear a Canadian say ‘‘oi’’.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Of course, you get idiots (so you think it’s “idiotic” to kill your daughter for not wearing a hijab) in every colour, caste and creed, the point being made here by some of the posters (R_not, Chrisse, Charlotte, Appleby et al.) is that Islam allows for such evils to be committed all in the name of God. I know good Muslim people too, however, they are good inspite of what the Koran teaches. If all Muslims truly practiced their beliefs as per the Koran, we as Christians and Non-christians would be in a whole heap of trouble. God Bless, Peter!

No. The point Appleby made was that all Muslims are dangerous. That is an idiotic statement, having been the subject of such statements I can tell you that they are wrong. You cannot say that all people of a certain culture are dangerous. I responded to that post.

I stand by my statement: Thinking like that is dangerous, applying attributes to all the members of a certain religion or race is wrong, simple as.

 

[algebra]

Besides, I like Canadians…you guys make a good…maple syrup?
And also something about lumberjacks and the word ‘‘aboot’’. See…I can be nice

Also, I would love to hear a Canadian say ‘‘oi’’.

i dont know what it is about “about” that you guys dont hear right.

I work with a bunch of Brits; I think their accent is just crazy (in a good way).

Actually come to think of it, there are tonnes of Brits in Canada these days.

Wonder whats going on across the pond that makes them all want to come and visit the Dominion of Canada.

 

[LDNCatholic]

And there you go. Thats my statement seconded by someone else who has had those experiences.

 

[LDNCatholic]

i dont know what it is about “about” that you guys dont hear right.

I work with a bunch of Brits; I think their accent is just crazy (in a good way).

Actually come to think of it, there are tonnes of Brits in Canada these days.

Wonder whats going on across the pond that makes them all want to come and visit the Dominion of Canada.

Cheaper, bigger housing, less crime, got a couple mates who’ve moved out there said its a much nicer place than London, then again they were well off enough to afford huge mansions.

Which accent have your mates got?

 

[LDNCatholic]

What? No applause?

I tried to include a smiley face here but apparently there is a limit to the number of smiles.

There we go

 

[algebra]

Which accent have your mates got?

There is guy with a west country accent, which is pretty understandable, another with a yorkshire accent.

Then there is this girl with a scottish accent…she sounds sexy as hell when she is drunk.

 

[LDNCatholic]

There is guy with a west country accent, which is pretty understandable, another with a yorkshire accent.

Then there is this girl with a scottish accent…she sounds sexy as hell when she is drunk.

Ah all of those are fine, you’re in trouble if a Geordie (Newcastle) moves in. I’m fairly sure the only person who can understand what a Geordie with a thick accent is saying, is the man himself.

 

[algebra]

Ah all of those are fine, you’re in trouble if a Geordie (Newcastle) moves in. I’m fairly sure the only person who can understand what a Geordie with a thick accent is saying, is the man himself.

LOL.

But I hear what you are saying when you say bigger housing.

I was on a secondment to LDN for 2 months and the apartment I had was crazy expensive and tiny.

I was near work, canary wharf.

 

[Appleby]

Do you know her name? I would love to pray for her. I would visit her grave too if I lived in Canada.

Dared to be different
Strangled teen Aqsa Parvez rests in numbered gravesite

By JOE WARMINGTON, SUN MEDIA

Last Updated: 10th December 2008, 3:34am
One year to the day Aqsa Parvez was stolen from this world – allegedly by two members of her family – that is all there is at her gravesite to show she even existed.

Section 17, plot number 774, in the Meadowvale Cemetery in Brampton, to be precise. No name, no date of birth, no date of death. No nothing.

But resting here is a girl who dared to be Canadian.

She was strangled Dec. 10, 2007 inside her family’s Longhorn Trail home.

Her father and brother will be in court next week to answer to charges of first-degree murder.

At Parvez’ gravesite, one would never know the 16-year-old Grade 11 Applewood Heights Secondary School student was buried here. You would never know anybody was buried here.

“If not for a couple of her girlfriends, who put some flowers there, there would be nothing,” said a disgusted Tarek Fatah, founder of the Muslim Canadian Congress and author of Chasing a Mirage, The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State. “It’s disgraceful.”

“That girl was not a number,” adds Imam Syed Soharwardy, of the Al-Mamadinah Islamic Centre in Calgary and national president of Islamic Supreme Council of Canada. “She had a name and a life. It makes me sick.”

Her friends describe Pakistan-born Aqsa as a happy teen who loved photography and loved to dance. Who knows where she would be if she had not, one year ago this morning, gone back to the family home from which she was estranged?

Her friends expected her at school. Instead, a call was made to police saying she had been killed.

With the preliminary hearing for her father Muhammad Parvez, 58, and brother Waqas, 27, to begin Dec. 17, evidence is expected to show family disagreements over cultural issues, including the wearing of the traditional hijab.

“A planned and deliberate act” is how Peel Regional Police’s head of homicide, Insp. Norm English, was last year describing this murder. Recently, he refused an interview request saying “two people are charged with first-degree murder and we have not said very much because they are entitled to their day in court where we will present a very strong case.”

It will be a packed courtroom and time will tell how this will turn out legally.

It’s not known whether Aqsa’s killing was an honour killing. The honour killing tag is given to those victims who were killed as an illustration to peers that their shamed family has washed their hands of the embarrassment to their radical form of Islam with their disgraced family member’s blood. It’s a barbaric act, sometimes with agreement of other family members, that sadly occurs in some Muslim countries.

‘HONOUR KILLING’

Speaking in general terms, Fatah said “a victim of an honour killing is always left in an unmarked grave. Imagine caring more about your faith than your child? When this happens, it shows they don’t give a damn about her and the fact a family has chosen to not put the name on a grave proves the point that they are embarrassed and gives an insight into honour killings.”

Soharwardy knows of “100 graves of women” killed because their families felt their actions brought disrespect upon them and their extreme version of Islam. And anybody “telling you” it is Islamic tradition to bury a person in an unnamed grave, says Soharwardy, is out-and-out “wrong.”

In fact, he says, “marking a grave is one of the highest recommendations of tradition by the Prophet Mohammed.”

Fatah adds: “Taj Mahal is the quintessential symbol of a tribute for a Muslim woman,” he said of the famous Indian shrine built for Mumtaz Mahal, who died in 1631, by her grieving Mughal emperor husband Shah Jahan. “In Islam, for a woman, you build the grandest structure in the world. I know of some in several countries which have stood for 1,000 years.”

Aqsa Parvez’s grave is the polar opposite. It’s as chilling standing there as was her death. Disturbing. For $580, the cemetery can put a flat marker there – with her name, date of birth and death, and at least people can find her if they want to come to pay their respects. A cemetery employee said there is no problem if others want to place a flat memorial there but it would be removed if the family were to demand that.

As we wait for the court to decide the murder case, Aqsa lays, not so honourably, in grave 774.