What do you admire about islam/muslims?

[Agabriel]

I admire nothing about islam/muslims.

The one who is trying so hard to tell us that Zionists are worse than muslims forgets to look up the word, and then needs to take another look at their history - and it is not one of violence against others, while in islam it does indeed mean that.

And to answer the post that said who would I rather live next to - a Zionist. I see how they treat the muslims within their borders and they live peacefully and are prosperous. I see how they treat tourists and they don’t bomb them as they do in such lands as Egypt (a couple of tourists were attacked just this week), or how they aim for tourists in so many lands - even the UK.

There are not over 700 ‘sensitive zones’ such as there are in France alone where you take your life in your hands if you enter the muslim’s areas.

Sorry, but muslim’s peacefulness speaks for itself - and ‘peace’ in islam means violence. When they get their way and have fully muslim countries then ‘peace’ means decay, backwardness and rot.

The Zionists have taken in hundreds of thousands of people and absorbing them into a tiny little island in a sea of hatred. While the muslims can’t seem to do the same with the Palestinians.

 

[josie_L]

Defending israel?

Dont bring up something you have no knowledge about!

Have you been to Israel? Have you been to the west bank and gaza?

Its people like you, who dont know jack about the situation that just seem stupid.

The same goes for the arabs living in Toronto, they are idiots.

Most of them have never been to gaza.

I have.

I dont support anyone in this, I was born to a jewess, and I am sick of what goes on there.

What are you supporting? Do you even know what you are supporting?
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Please remember, you have no business supporting something you do not understand.**

Dont go downtown, dont tell people you support israel, you are a joke.

Most jews who perform aliyah want to run away from the nonsense in 15 minutes.

And I assure you; you do not understand the situation.
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Let me also assure you that zionists (yes the same ones you support) would be happier than the happiest muslim terrorist to bomb every church into rubble, slander Jesus , call Mary a whore and wipe you fakers (christians) of the face of the planet.

You are lucky you are dealing with a billion muslims, and not a billion zionists.

Aside from the fact that jews are generally smarter than goyim definitely way smarter than the arabs, we are way more militant.

It would be bye bye goys.

Way to go buddy…**

I know there are some Jews who slander the name of Jesus and Mary (in fact I had someone I know say Jesus was the Devil to my face) but then so do some Muslims. The continual attacks by terrorist groups upon innocent people, is contrary to the message of love Jesus gave us (and to the Muslims). If Muslims truly loved Jesus (as they say they do) why do they support and/or ignore the fundamentalists within their ranks. Why aren’t they committed to bringing peace through prayer and peaceful political demonstrations? Yes, the violence committed by Israelis is wrong, yet they do not view Jesus as a prophet as the Muslims do. So then, how can they claim Jesus as a prophet and yet ignore his message?

My other point, is this: Israel is here to say whether Hamas or others likes it or not. We cannot now change what has been in existence for more than 60 years. Now, if I support the state of Israel, I am not supporting the violence committed by Israelis, I am practical enough to know that Hamas will never stop their mission to regain all of what used to be Palestine. They will continue their efforts through violence to wipe Israel off the map. What do you think would happen if such a thing were to occur? What do you think Hamas will do with all the MWD that Israel has? Do you think they would not use those weapons for the furtherance of Islam?

I think we are far safer as a whole that Israel remains intact.

 

[Appleby]

When people stand downtown roaring for my death, I think it is safer to believe they mean it than to tremblingly pretend they are Joking, Maaaaaaan.

As for the Arab above who made the ugly anti-Jewish remarks, I think he proves my distrust is well founded.

 

[josie_L]

When people stand downtown roaring for my death, I think it is safer to believe they mean it than to tremblingly pretend they are Joking, Maaaaaaan.

As for the Arab above who made the ugly anti-Jewish remarks, I think he proves my distrust is well founded.

Appleby, Algebra is a convert to Catholicism from Judaism. Just wanted to inform you of that. God Bless.

 

[algebra]

Appleby, Algebra is a convert to Catholicism from Judaism. Just wanted to inform you of that. God Bless.

Thank you. Not yet converted formally., still have 35 days to go.

 

[josie_L]

Thank you. Not yet converted formally., still have 35 days to go.

Your welcome, Algebra.

 

[algebra]

When people stand downtown roaring for my death, I think it is safer to believe they mean it than to tremblingly pretend they are Joking, Maaaaaaan.

They aren’t joking, but they are too stupid to pull it of.

If however you were dealing with a billion (much smarter than average - 1 std deviation above the mean) zionist jews, you would already be dead.

Now dont get me wrong I support israel’s right to exist, I support jews and judaists. I dont support what zionism is today.

As for the Arab above who made the ugly anti-Jewish remarks, I think he proves my distrust is well founded.

Whoa there…who are you calling arab. I take that as an insult.

 

[algebra]

but then so do some Muslims

No muslims would never do this.

I think we are far safer as a whole that Israel remains intact.

I agree, Israel is many things.

Israel is many things good, and many things bad.

I dont support israel in everything, especially some of its policies towards palestinian arabs.

 

[algebra]

• and it is not one of violence against others, while in islam it does indeed mean that.

Just because the violence was not directed at you, doesnt mean zionism doesnt have a very violent past and a more violent future.
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The simple Truth is there was no jewish homeland, trying to create one where there was none is an act of violence against the people living on that land.
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A similar event is occuring in Zimbabwe where Mugabe is kicking out white farmers who have worked the land for 3 hundred years and giving it to blacks who dont know jack about farming.

I suppose you support that too?

 

[Agabriel]

They aren’t joking, but they are too stupid to pull it of.

If however you were dealing with a billion (much smarter than average - 1 std deviation above the mean) zionist jews, you would already be dead.

Now dont get me wrong I support israel’s right to exist, I support jews and judaists. I dont support what zionism is today.

Whoa there…who are you calling arab. I take that as an insult.

-Jews have WMDs and have not threatened anyone with them.

-have not died while trying to develop them (as we discovered that some Al Qaeda members have died while doing so) so as to use them against us.

• do not lob bombs into the Gaza on a daily basis as the hamas do, nor do they lob bombs into Lebanon as the Hezbollah do
• do not carry banners, threaten muslim children in anyone’s lands, against muslims as the muslims do in not only their lands, but our lands too.
• do not raise their children to hate muslims like the koran teaches - that we see so often the children in gaza are doing (wearing suicide belts and carrying weapons as early as in kindergarten)
• do not subjugate those muslims in their lands as muslims require non-muslims to be.
• allow muslims to practice their religion, wear their tents and scarves while in many areas Jews are prohibited in muslim lands - even to a point that a sporting even (tennis) banned a Jew from participating, or in saudi arabia - no one is allowed to have Bibles, rosaries, crosses, and jews are outright banned.

Sorry - but your case is not provable. There might be an individual(s) that doesn’t go with the flow that is a muslim, but the overall behavior of muslims against Jews is very telling.

 

[Agabriel]

Just because the violence was not directed at you, doesnt mean zionism doesnt have a very violent past and a more violent future.
**
The simple Truth is there was no jewish homeland, trying to create one where there was none is an act of violence against the people living on that land.
**

A similar event is occuring in Zimbabwe where Mugabe is kicking out white farmers who have worked the land for 3 hundred years and giving it to blacks who dont know jack about farming.

I suppose you support that too?

The Jews were in Israel well before Christ came to this earth. Due to the extermination of many non-muslims in lands that muslims either stole because they killed the inhabitants and/or enslaved them/forced them to convert, etc. Many pagans and even the Zorastrians were wiped out by muslims.

No one seems to like to mention that though. And Christians are being driven from their lands too and the muslims are outright stealing them too.

I don’t want to use tu quoque as an excuse, but Israel was given that land and they paid for it. just because the Arab muslims want to renig on their deal - it is too bad. The muslims ALWAYS renig on their deals if they find that they don’t either want to keep it anymore - and they follow Muhammad’s teachings on that.

Muhammad said, “If I take an oath and later find something else better, I do what is better and break my oath.” The prophet further encouraged Muslims to do the same: “If you ever take an oath to do something and later on you find that something else is better, then you should expiate your oath and do what is better.”

If the muslims were so irate over the land that was divvied up then they would be really upset with Jordan since they took most of that land - and the Jordans KICKED OUT THE PALESTINIANS. No muslim state is even bothering to assimilate those Palestinians while the Israelis have assimilated back hundreds of thousands from around the world, and the Middle East who are being persecuted.

Not one cease fire, peace treaty, or promise have the muslims kept and it seems very few (in a leadership roles) are bothered by that fact.

 

[Agabriel]

Just because the violence was not directed at you, doesnt mean zionism doesnt have a very violent past and a more violent future.
**
The simple Truth is there was no jewish homeland, trying to create one where there was none is an act of violence against the people living on that land.
**

A similar event is occuring in Zimbabwe where Mugabe is kicking out white farmers who have worked the land for 3 hundred years and giving it to blacks who dont know jack about farming.

I suppose you support that too?

Prove your statement that Zionism has a very violent past. Please do not use muslim sites as reference since they are too biased as a source against Jews. You can use left winger’s sites if you want, but a view from both angles would be appreciated.

 

[algebra]

haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1066097.html

Read this.

 

[algebra]

-Jews have WMDs and have not threatened anyone with them.

What have you been smoking? Israel’s implied threat of using WMDs is what has prevented a pan arab military war against israel.

-have not died while trying to develop them (as we discovered that some Al Qaeda members have died while doing so) so as to use them against us.

Jews aren’t stupid; like arabs.
But I have already stated that.

• do not lob bombs into the Gaza on a daily basis as the hamas do, nor do they lob bombs into Lebanon as the Hezbollah do

No, they starve the population to death by closing the borders.
This is getting really boring because it is evident that you have no knowledge of what you are talking about.

• do not carry banners, threaten muslim children in anyone’s lands, against muslims as the muslims do in not only their lands, but our lands too.

I suppose you have been to Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem to see the protests?
I suppose you make it a habit to read local israeli news media?

• do not raise their children to hate muslims like the koran teaches - that we see so often the children in gaza are doing (wearing suicide belts and carrying weapons as early as in kindergarten)

No again jews arent stupid.

• do not subjugate those muslims in their lands as muslims require non-muslims to be.

uh? west bank, jerusalem…

• allow muslims to practice their religion, wear their tents and scarves while in many areas Jews are prohibited in muslim lands - even to a point that a sporting even (tennis) banned a Jew from participating, or in saudi arabia - no one is allowed to have Bibles, rosaries, crosses, and jews are outright banned.

No support for the saudis here. I agree with you completely…finally.

However I can assure you that zionist jews would be happy to blow up your church and wipe you of the face of the planet, if you did go up against them.

 

[algebra]

erichufschmid.net/WhatIsZionism.htm

Here.

Educate yourself.

The word was created in 1890 by Nathan Birmbaum to refer to his goal of creating a nation for Jews.

However, because violence is used to create Israel, the word Zionism has become closely associated with images of dead Palestinians, suicide bombers, the attack on the USS Liberty, the 9-11 attack, and numerous other violent acts. This gives the word Zionism an unpleasant image.

In order to make Zionism appear more pleasant, some Jews give it a more vague, confusing definition.

There are a lot of Christians who want to help Israel become established, so some people refer to them “Christian Zionists”. However, I doubt that Theodor Herzl and the other Jews who started the Zionist movement had any intention of allowing Christians, Muslims, or other goyim to be equal members of Israel. **Therefore, I would not describe the goyim who support Israel as “Zionists”. Instead, I think a more accurate description for them is useful idiots. **

That is what jews think of goyim.

 

[Agabriel]

haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1066097.html

Read this.

Here is the problem with that article:

• the muslims, or the Gaza, is not an occupied territory.
• the muslims are the ones lobbing bombs into Israel on a daily basis - not the reverse.
• I would require special permits too since the muslims seem to think they can just come on in and bomb everyone to bits. Since they are commanded to deceive non-muslims in order to carry out their ‘religious duties’ I wouldn’t put it past them to disguise themselves as others of another faith, or no faith. I would require proof of who they are!
• I don’t know what some Bishop who denies the holocaust has to do with anything - the guy is wrong. period.
• as far as the Church being taxed - that is up to them. It is their country, they can do what they want. In muslim lands the Churches are too often destroyed, and if they are allowed to stand they cannot be repaired, or new ones cannot be built.
• Here is a list of articles which really goes against the assertions in that article you gave to me. It seems also that the holocaust denying Bishop has changed his mind and apologized.

In our religion there is such a thing as forgiveness and I do agree that this Bishop should be forgiven. I also think he should not be a Bishop, but it seems that getting fired from these positions is not done. It isn’t up to any Jew what the Pope does to one of the Bishops. They have enough of their own that are in denial - they need to deal with them and mind their own business.

This Pope has done much to try to resolve wrongs. And one of the articles on that list is to change a prayer concerning the Jews.

While in islam - nothing changes. The taqiyya/kithman goes on, their lobbing of bombs goes on, their breaking of promises still goes on, their riots if their radicals gets attacked goes on, their intolerance and bigotry of others in their lands still goes on.

I don’t even know how you can keep defending the obvious.

 

[algebra]

No the useful idiots are the ones that support zionism.

Essentially because you are supporting jews in persecuting christians, very likely our orthodox bretheren.

Writing this stuff is actually harder for me than you think, because I am still a jew.
But its got to be said…

 

[Agabriel]

What have you been smoking? Israel’s implied threat of using WMDs is what has prevented a pan arab military war against israel.

Jews aren’t stupid; like arabs.
But I have already stated that.

No, they starve the population to death by closing the borders.
This is getting really boring because it is evident that you have no knowledge of what you are talking about.

I suppose you have been to Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem to see the protests?
I suppose you make it a habit to read local israeli news media?

No again jews arent stupid.

uh? west bank, jerusalem…

No support for the saudis here. I agree with you completely…finally.

However I can assure you that zionist jews would be happy to blow up your church and wipe you of the face of the planet, if you did go up against them.

I smoke no dope - I just listen to the daily news and I don’t hear the Jews threatening anyone with WMDs. Self-defense is not ok with you - but I suppose that is the same feeling you have when Israel finally defends itself against the muslims lobbing missiles into their lands for years!

Jerusalem is shared with the muslims - and it is in Israel - it is their land - not the muslim’s lands. Neither is the West Bank the muslim’s lands.

Give them a little and they want more - we see that in Pakistan/Kashmir/India, the Philippines, and all the ‘urban sensitive areas’ in Europe.

As for closing the borders - I would too. Sorry, but when you have people insisting on blowing themselves up just to kill them - I am surprised they ever open the borders up to them! And go talk to Egypt - why no disgruntled behavior over a fellow muslim country closing the border to the Palestinians.

I find this whole discussion rather hypocritical from a muslim point of view. But, it seems that is the way it is with them.

 

[algebra]

Here is the problem with that article:

• the muslims, or the Gaza, is not an occupied territory.
• the muslims are the ones lobbing bombs into Israel on a daily basis - not the reverse.
• I would require special permits too since the muslims seem to think they can just come on in and bomb everyone to bits. Since they are commanded to deceive non-muslims in order to carry out their ‘religious duties’ I wouldn’t put it past them to disguise themselves as others of another faith, or no faith. I would require proof of who they are!

The article is about ****CHRISTIAN ****arab palestinians.

Not muslims

 

[josie_L]

No muslims would never do this.

I agree, Israel is many things.

Israel is many things good, and many things bad.

I dont support israel in everything, especially some of its policies towards palestinian arabs.

Algebra, what I was trying to convey in my response to you, is that there is more than one way to insult our Lord and Saviour Jesus, it can be done with evil words and/or through evil actions. Muslims who attest that Jesus is one of their prophets yet commit terrorists attacks or simply ignore and support terrorists are no longer respecting Jesus who they purportedly love as a prophet. This is hypocritical of them. I am just trying to show that like those Zionists who hate Jesus, some Muslims show how they hate Jesus through what they do.

If Palestinians want my support Hamas has to go, I can find no other solution to the problem.