What does politics have to do with religion

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The non-negotiables are not Church teaching. What is Church teaching is that it would be a mortal sin to vote for someone because they support something that’s intrinsically evil (Catholics for Choice, torture apologists). We should vote on the totality of a candidate’s platform and record and what we believe will be the outcome of our vote. For example, I do not believe that voting for the Republican gubernatorial candidate will lead to a drop in abortions, regardless of his stated rhetoric, I would not be sinning by voting for the Democrat. The Church gives us guidelines, and our conscience and judgment must do the rest. Which is an awesome responsibility because God knows we’re making excuses.
 
I think I need to research more on politics and consider other options. It seems odd to be religious and non-conservative.
 
Most people tend to align with all other issues that their political parties support. Why does one issue carry so much weight on how I vote?
 
You seem to do the same thing with race that you’re accusing Catholics of doing with abortion: Being obsessively single-issue. Pot meet kettle.
 
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Race relations are important to me and part of my experience. I couldnt/wouldn’t want to support or associate with a party I believe honors my experience.
I guess same way some Catholic don’t think race relations is a big deal, the same way I don’t think abortion is
 
Lgbtq stances. The way some posters online react to gay people you would think they were the most vile sinners or had leprosy.
 
I recommend that you study the logic of a few of your positions.
  1. “Man-made” global warming - agenda and money driven. Junk science and arguments on both sides. Why not simply resolve to be a good steward of creation?
  2. Pro-life: excellent!
  3. Those wascally guns? Read the catechism, section 2275. I am a gun owner. I have neither shot nor murdered anyone, and I carried badge and gun for 31 years. I had numerous justifiable opportunities to potentially take a human life, but thank God, I never had to draw blood with lead. Guns are a symptom, a tool of the murderer and the legal possession of them is not not not the problem. Homicidal maniacs are. Homicidal maniacs in our schools (nearly all medicated). In casinos in “sin city.” The fatherless inner-city youths who “own” their block and steal their Glock.
We have become a society of murderers. More and more laws and oppresion of the law abiding is not and cannot solve this problem!

Ever notice the danger signals given by each and every mass murderer? They were numerous, often public and consistently ignored! What do we expect? How you gonna disarm the homicidal maniac that you are ignoring? The ones you disarm by thousands of new and excessive laws are those who DO NOT murder or otherwise violate the law. How does that make any sense at all?

Excuse me, but the idea of controlling inanimate objects when murderers are the problem seems not well thought out. Even Obama said that he would like a rifle if he lived rurally. Tailgunner Joe advised to get a shotgun. Do you oppose even liberal “social justice” democrats?

Rather, look at the large picture. What is to be gained by a huge, uncaring, unfeeling FedGov disarming the public? A quick review of 20th century history shows the guaranteed result. You want a blood bath? Disarm the law-abiding public.

No, let’s detach from the hysterical, agenda-driven media and think for ourselves! Monsignor Ronald A. Knox, the translator of the excellent Catholic Knox Bible, lamented the fact that all were taught to read, but none to think! And that was 90 years ago.

Incessantly passing more useless and oppressive laws indicates only that freedom is simply too dangerous to “permit” Since rights are God-given, government now subs in for God - who has been expelled from schools and all public places! Kick God out, who steps in?

Consider: why is it so easy for a gun to find a murderer? Ever ask that? There are murderers everywhere these days. Human life has been grossly devalued for decades under various leftist/progressive guises and we are reaping what was sown.

The crime problem, the murder problem, is the human heart.
 
I’ll consider your perspective. How is global warming junk science? What’s wrong with removing God from all public places? We aren’t a homogenous society or a theocracy. I thought it was separation of church and state. Which God should the government adhere to? The Christian, the hindu gods, Muslim God. I think USA is too diverse for that.
 
There is a small but growing minor party called the American Solidarity Party. It’s platform is based on Catholic social teaching. It’s economic and social justice platforms are to the left of the mainstream democrats but they are full spectrum pro-life, conception to natural death. You might find them to be a good alternative to the odious major parties.
 
Wikipedia regarding Doctors for Disaster Preparedness (DDP):
According to Bloomberg News, the group was “founded to promote civil defense during the Cold War”, and has been “transformed over the years into a forum” on “fringe-science topics” such as global warming denial. DDP was described by The Guardian as a “fringe political group” and as a “truly bizarre lobby group”. It promotes the “skeptical” view that man-made global warming is not real or not an important concern. The group awards the Petr Beckmann Award, named in honor of Petr Beckmann, a libertarian electrical engineer who challenged Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity.
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The DDP’s vice president is Art Robinson, who has been running, over and over, losing races against the Congressional Democrat incumbent, year after year. He is widely regarded as a complete wack-job and crazy as a loon. :crazy_face:
 
Thank you! The problem is the human heart - Christ said that very clearly. We have carefully crafted a generation of murderers. Punishing the innocent while having zero effect on murderers is the true social justice issue.

Do criminals line up and protest new gun control laws?

Heck no!

Those whose liberties are being taken away do.
 
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What’s wrong with removing God from all public places? We aren’t a homogenous society or a theocracy.
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If you want God removed from all public spaces then you are trying to enforce a strict (public) Godlessness on a diverse people. We are not a homogeneous Godless people.
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Which God should the government adhere to? The Christian, the hindu gods, Muslim God. I think USA is too diverse for that.
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From the Christian perspective which is the traditional perspective of western society there is only one God and people have different perspectives of Him. To speak of different gods where each is simply a cultural construction is a perspective of Godlessness. That is ok, but it is basically the perspective of the secular Godless not shared by Christians, or Hindus, or Moslems etc.
 
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Do I have vote Republican or support Trump to be “good” Catholic? Must I align myself with the conservative Republican party?
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Respectfully opinion only in pondering for one only
Our Heavenly Father has a Kingdom a Nation, If one wants to enter his Kingdom ( Nation) obey his Kingdom Government Laws, The Commandments, is this not written?
Lawlessones do not enter His Kingdom do they, as written also?
Lawlessones destroy the peace and security of all those who live within His Kingdom?

🤔 If all Nations on earth lived by, our Heavenly Father, Ten Commandment Laws (Royal moral civil laws?) would there be Peace on earth by now?

In ancient time Roman Empire Government Laws>>>> passed a Law that those who>>>>> practiced Christianity committed a crime, punishable by death and those who were Christians also, were greatly persecuted, tormented etc also? Paganism was the religion of the Roman Empire in those times. Not till >>>>>>>>>>Constantine in 315 Ad passed a Government Law that Christianity and those who practice such was no longer a crime and Christianity>>>later became the religion of the Roman Empire did it not?

So in early beginnings were Government and Religion one and determined by those who ruled over them? Who put the Crown on the Kings head?

Question is our Heavenly Father pleased with either political party and those who rule over Nations , His people?

Politics have everything to do with religion does it not?
What we are hearing, seeing and what is taking place today? 🤔
And a House ( Kingdom, a Nation) divided cannot stand?

Our Heavenly Father speaks on the lawlessones?
Our Heavenly Father Kingdom >> his Constitutional Laws, are they not his >>>>Ten Commandments being Righteous Laws that serve all within His Kingdom?
for they provide>>Equality Rights, Freedom and Protection for all, do they not?
Nor does he force anyone to obey or believe in Him either, does he? Evidence, fact >> Free Will was giving to all? 🤔
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King Cyrus the Great >>>>I believe was the greatest King who ever ruled, to have lived on earth, could this be said?
For King Cyrus, his Kingdom, Nations he ruled over, >>>King Cyrus provided >>religious freedom for all within His Kingdom and within every Nation he ruled over,is this true?

King Cyrus was the first King ever>>>> 3,000 years ago>>>> to create the >>>>>First Declaration of Human Rights, stating for the fact that we are all Human, is this true?
One was free to worship a God or many gods if they so desired, under King Cyrus, is this not true?

A humble King Cyrus the Great was indeed, who sought>>> no self glory>> but created >>Righteous Laws >>>that served all he ruled over, not laws that only benefited the few >>>>>at the very expense of those who were larger in numbers, did he?

Good Kings their Nations prosper vs bad Kings their Nations greatly suffered innocently?
Long Historical writings on such from ancient times are there not?
Where Government rulers>>where politics and religion were one in ruling over?
Nero>> Caesars, dislike of Christians?
Pharoah Empires what were their religions?

Peace 🤔
 
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Governments cannot correct the human heart but they can try to control the type of people who get access to guns. The conservative stances on issues isn’t necessarily the Christian one. That’s what it turns into easily. Outside issues like abortion, I don’t think a person must side with conversative on every issue.
 
I saw that as a way of being fair. Show no favoritism or bias in government to any particular God.
 
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The conservative stances on issues isn’t necessarily the Christian one.
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There is no Christian stance on any but a very few political issues, abortion being one of the handful of exceptions. As for the minimum wage, immigration, gun control, health care, etc, there is virtually no such thing a an unchristian position. There are unchristian reasons for taking a particular position, but the positions themselves are in the main morally neutral.
 
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