What We Have Lost & the Road to Restoration

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Caesar said:
:eek: Wonder Bread!?

I have never encountered that, although I did see a Mass with something that resembled a waffle several years ago, although I do not know what exactly it was made of so I dont know if this was valid or not.

If I could not go to a licit Tridentine Mass once a month like I do now (although we are hoping to get Diocesan permission for the FSSP priest to come every week within the next few months) and there was an SSPX chapel nearby, I would go there. I go to the Cathedral here the rest of the time, but the music is terrible and the Mass is less-then reverant- not to mention that I cannot recieve Communion as I am not allowed to recieve on the tongue 😦
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Not allowed to receive on the tongue? I thought that was a privilege of every Catholic? :confused:
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Why ever not?
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After I started going to the TLM regularly I decided to start recieving on the tongue all the time. When I went up to recieve during sunday Mass at the Cathedral I opened my mouth and the priest (whom I knew well) glared at me and gave me a blessing instead. After Mass I went and asked him why and he told me he only gives communion on the tongue to the old folks who wont have it any other way and that as a young man I should be recieving communion like everyone else my age- on the hand. He gave me a short lecture on why recieving in the hand is important. So now I dont recieve at the NO Masses I go to.
 
marymonde said:
Yes, like I said I have no argument that this is a truth, His second coming. In the ‘Ottaviani Intervention’ this is addressed by Cardinal Ottivianni and Cardinal Bacci. They said Our Lord’s true presence would be compromised by adding this phrase after the consecration. Here is some of the text:

fisheaters.com/ottavianiintervention.html
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But then Cardinal Ottivianni withdrew his objections (unless we subscribe to conspiracy theories). And at any rate, the translation is approved by the Church (and, hopefully, will continue to be).

I should be very careful of the sites I consult were I you. Fisheaters isn’t expressive of the mind of the Church.
 
Caesar said:
After I started going to the TLM regularly I decided to start recieving on the tongue all the time. When I went up to recieve during sunday Mass at the Cathedral I opened my mouth and the priest (whom I knew well) glared at me and gave me a blessing instead. After Mass I went and asked him why and he told me he only gives communion on the tongue to the old folks who wont have it any other way and that as a young man I should be recieving communion like everyone else my age- on the hand. He gave me a short lecture on why recieving in the hand is important. So now I dont recieve at the NO Masses I go to.
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That’s OUTRAGEOUS!!! You are not to be constrained in your liberty to choose to receive on the tongue. It’s a violation of Church law. You should report this to the ordinary.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Just understand that your definition of the finest is subjective opinion.
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I said I wanted to give God the finest. I didn’t include you in with me, so I suppose it is subjective to you. I tend to think of God being the object of all my thoughts during mass.
 
Caesar said:
After I started going to the TLM regularly I decided to start recieving on the tongue all the time. When I went up to recieve during sunday Mass at the Cathedral I opened my mouth and the priest (whom I knew well) glared at me and gave me a blessing instead. After Mass I went and asked him why and he told me he only gives communion on the tongue to the old folks who wont have it any other way and that as a young man I should be recieving communion like everyone else my age- on the hand. He gave me a short lecture on why recieving in the hand is important. So now I dont recieve at the NO Masses I go to.
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You will find this is the case in many parishes. It is quite sad.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
That’s OUTRAGEOUS!!! You are not to be constrained in your liberty to choose to receive on the tongue. It’s a violation of Church law. You should report this to the ordinary.
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Knowing what Bishop Fabbro is like, it is more then likely that this was one of his ideas. And this is Canada, remember? We are the ones who use the Apostle’s Creed instead of the Nicene Creed and whose Bishops actualy voted to ignore Humanae Vitae.
 
marymonde said:
Yes, like I said I have no argument that this is a truth, His second coming. In the ‘Ottaviani Intervention’ this is addressed by Cardinal Ottivianni and Cardinal Bacci. They said Our Lord’s true presence would be compromised by adding this phrase after the consecration. Here is some of the text:

fisheaters.com/ottavianiintervention.html
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Further, the two cardinals were not authoritative, (ie, did not hold the charism that the papal office bestows), the Church who promulgated the Mass was. And (again) no Mass promulgated for the faithful by the Church can lead them into impiety. It would follow logically that the True Presence would not be compromised (wouldn’t that lead the faithful into impiety?).
 
Caesar said:
Knowing what Bishop Fabbro is like, it is more then likely that this was one of his ideas. And this is Canada, remember? We are the ones who use the Apostle’s Creed instead of the Nicene Creed and whose Bishops actualy voted to ignore Humanae Vitae.
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Then you need to write to the Congregation and Cardinal Arinze. There are canon law societies that will do it on your behalf, for free.
 
marymonde said:
And you are?
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I hope I never contradict the Church, in word or in action.

But a careful read of Fisheaters shows a pronounced tendency to constrain the consciences of the faithful when the Church has given them a liberty.
 
Caesar said:
Really? I should do that.

Thanks.
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Seriously, if you don’t, it will be done again and again and more people will have their legitimate rights in the Church trampled. As I said in another post, no one has the right to constrain your conscience where the Church has granted you a liberty (not merely a liberty, a RIGHT).

Edit: Whether they are on the right or the left;).
 
hmm, when i attended the NO, and went for a blessing, the priest took me aside after mass, and asked me not to kneel
for it as it was a distraction :confused:
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Seriously, if you don’t, it will be done again and again and more people will have their legitimate rights in the Church trampled. As I said in another post, no one has the right to constrain your conscience where the Church has granted you a liberty (not merely a liberty, a RIGHT).
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Indeed.

Just as an aside, it sounds like you have a fairly decent Novus Ordo Mass. But if you had to sit through all extremely outrageous NOs I have had to go to in my life, and the dreadful “Catholic” schools I have been to which often border on the heretical with liberal teachers and watered-down religion classes (and thats not just my opinion, my Spiritual Director as well as a few other faithful priests I know have wholeheartedly agreed), then you would not blame me for getting worked up over the NO. Sorry if I get to be a pain about that sometimes 😉
 
Caesar said:
Nice table I see above. Hmph, thats what qualifies as an altar now I guess…

Isnt there something in the GIRM that says that even freestanding altars have to be solid or made of stone or marble or something like that?

My favorite altar has to be the High Altar of St. Francis de Sales Oratory in St. Louis, run by the ICRSS,

http://www.institute-christ-king.org/StLouis/images/IMG_3683.JPG
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Gorgeous! And unmistakably CATHOLIC…unlike that thing in the picture above!
 
Caesar said:
Indeed.

Just as an aside, it sounds like you have a fairly decent Novus Ordo Mass. But if you had to sit through all extremely outrageous NOs I have had to go to in my life, and the dreadful “Catholic” schools I have been to which often border on the heretical with liberal teachers and watered-down religion classes (and thats not just my opinion, my Spiritual Director as well as a few other faithful priests I know have wholeheartedly agreed), then you would not blame me for getting worked up over the NO. Sorry if I get to be a pain about that sometimes 😉
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Caesar: I tell you true, I forgive you from my heart and I ask that you do the same. Understand, I would never defend abuses or heterodoxy or bad priests or lazy bishops or even bad popes (I simply don’t belive the last few have been bad). I will, however, always defend the Church and Her authority. God love you. God see you to your vocation, if it be His good Will.
 
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