When a vaccine arrives

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Nah I’d probably just get it if it was for work. If it’s required for me it’s going to be required for every CEO and board member and high level manager too so presumably someone will have looked into it before Mr. Multimillionaire on the board gets it. Not to mention that my company has to deal with workers’ unions in some countries that have a huge amount of power and all the union members would be having to get it too.
 
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Do you think the government really would universal mandate it?
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The government is at present exercising dictatorial powers over the population.
I would not doubt it.
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You mean like they did in 1954/1955?
 
I thought that was voluntary - very highly desired, but voluntary. School-based mandates didn’t exist in all fifty states until 1980.
 
blackforest said:
I thought that was voluntary - very highly desired, but voluntary. School-based mandates didn’t exist in all fifty states until 1980.
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I don’t know if it was mandatory in all fifty states, but I know that I was not asked if I wanted it, nor were my parents asked. We just all lined up in our elementary school and got it. No questions asked. And today the scourge of polio is totally eliminated from the US, and indeed in almost all the world, except for about a dozen countries where the WHO is facing resistance from extremist groups who see vaccines as a Western plot. But for those few countries, polio could become the second disease in history (after small pox) to be totally eliminated from humanity.
 
Yea, I think a lot of people who did this as kids think that it was mandatory because it was just something that people did. Refusal wasn’t forbidden, but it wasn’t considered either. Polio was scary, and people were understandably willing to do what it took to prevent it.

On the flip side, the history of polio vaccination is a good precautionary tale against mandates. Jonas Salk himself would have filed a conscientious exemption against the Sabin vaccine.
 
By the end of 1918, while the Spanish Flu was ongoing, a vaccine was developed in New York, and probably around 1 million Americans were vaccinated. The problem was, the vaccine was most likely not effective because Spanish Flu was considered bacterial in nature and not a virus. Hopefully this time around there would be more ‘proof’ of effectiveness before a vaccine becomes recommended let alone mandatory.
 
I’m not sure whether this has been mentioned but I’m seeing all sorts of conspiracy theories involving a vaccine online. Stuff like Bill Gates including a microchip in it and this is the New World Order’s excuse to implant all of us, the virus and vaccine are somehow connected to the expanse of the 5G network… Really strange stuff for my money.
 
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I also suspect that in order to travel internationally, one might need to show proof of having received the vaccine to be allowed admittance to some countries.
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This is what I am afraid of too. For business travel, at that point I will have to decide whether to get the vaccine or let someone else travel instead of me.
 
Perhaps underlying conditions are the main issue. But age too is an important determinant, because the immune system becomes less effective based on the normal aging process.

A couple of interesting cases I read about online. One is an Oregon man who is 104 years old who got the virus and lived through it intact. He was also a survivor of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic. Another is a British woman who came down with the virus and died (also a survivor of the Spanish flu). She was a week short of her 109th birthday. Some older people are tough!
 
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Yea, I think a lot of people who did this as kids think that it was mandatory because it was just something that people did. Refusal wasn’t forbidden, but it wasn’t considered either. Polio was scary, and people were understandably willing to do what it took to prevent it.
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And it is a good thing they did.
On the flip side, the history of polio vaccination is a good precautionary tale against mandates. Jonas Salk himself would have filed a conscientious exemption against the Sabin vaccine.
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I don’t know (or care) what Jonas Salk said about his vaccine, but the history of polio vaccine is a success story no matter how you look at it.

Please! No more anti-vaxer conspiracy theories or misinformation, OK?

Regarding the moral dimension of vaccination, turn to the Church.

In a 2017 document on vaccines, the Pontifical Academy for Life noted a “moral obligation to guarantee the vaccination coverage necessary for the safety of others
 
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Please! No more anti-vaxer conspiracy theories or misinformation, OK?
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The history of the Cutter Incident is neither misinformation not an “anti-vaxer conspiracy theory.” Please learn about it. The Cutter Incident: How America's First Polio Vaccine Led to a Growing Vaccine Crisis

Vaccines are not a black and white issue.
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It does argue for more thorough testing before widespread deployment, but it does not make the case that no vaccine should ever be made mandatory.
 
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Anecdotal reports are not the same as official reports. I am sure your Aunt in law has seen what she reports, other medical professionals have seen different cases.
 
So you concede this fact wasn’t a “conspiracy theory?”

I understand what it argues. I have come to a different conclusion. I do not see a moral case in mandating risk-bearing, indemnified products.
 
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