Where is the Catholic outrage over recent American immigration policies?

[catholic1seeks]

So in a sense, it hurts your point even more, since Jesus and the Disciples were not desperate and yet still did not see a need to follow the letter of the law.

 

[Sugabee43]

Neither does parents endangering their children by attempting to enter a country illegally.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

Sure, if that’s what you want to take away from it, that’s your business. I mean, you’re completely ignoring the entire point of the passage, it has absolutely nothing to do with our current situation, but you seem bound and determined to ignore rational arguments made against you, so sure, have fun.

 

[catholic1seeks]

#fakenews

The charge of fake news means nothing now. The White House lies, the media lies, everyone lies. Everything is fake news – everyone charges fake news. Ask anyone, he’ll tell you you’re giving him fake news. The easiest way to shut someone down: That’s just fake news!

 

[catholic1seeks]

You started by saying:

Desperation does not give someone a free pass to break the law. I’m sorry, but that is just reality.

Okay, fine.

Then when is breaking the law acceptable?

Again, Jesus didn’t find the law absolute.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

You started by saying:

Desperation does not give someone a free pass to break the law. I’m sorry, but that is just reality.

You can break the law when that law is unjust, or when your life is in imminent danger (such as through starvation) and you have no other option.

Our nation’s immigration laws are not unjust. In fact, they’re some of the most lax immigration laws on the planet. As for the second criteria, that more of a sticking point. True, many of the places these people are leaving are terrible, but the fact is that there are legal means to enter our nation, so you cannot justify entering the country illegally.

 

[catholic1seeks]

You can break the law when that law is unjust, or when your life is in imminent danger (such as through starvation) and you have no other option.

I agree.

I don’t think separating children from parents is just, and I don’t think it’s an absolute rule that must be enforced simply because it is a policy.

 

[blackforest]

Our nation’s immigration laws are not unjust. In fact, they’re some of the most lax immigration laws on the planet.

This simply isn’t true.

 

[blackforest]

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[ProdglArchitect]

You can break the law when that law is unjust, or when your life is in imminent danger (such as through starvation) and you have no other option.

What would you have them do then? Ignore people breaking the law? Or incarcerate the children with their parents?

You are bashing people for the steps they have taken without providing any suitable alternative.

If the former, then you are explicitly violating the Church’s teaching on the right of a nation to protect and enforce its borders. This, unlike the Bishops’ prudential judgments on the subject, is actually Church teaching.

If the latter, then I would say you are placing them in a far worse situation than being separated.

 

[Theo520]

Doesn’t seem warranted.

We give extensive support for refugee programs and Subsidiarity would indicate we should help the economic migrants in their home country, at the request of their local Bishops I presume.

Why do so many want to circumvent our Church teachings on subsidiarity?

 

[buffalo]

I don’t think separating children from parents is just, and I don’t think it’s an absolute rule that must be enforced simply because it is a policy.

Where is the evidence this is actually happening?

 

[kill051]

The entire brouhaha about separating families is about a policy which isn’t new. You can’t send children into prison with their parents who violated immigration law.

This isn’t really new or recent at all.

Indeed. The difference here is in the decision of the Trump administration to prosecute those coming over the border, where the previous policy under Bush Jr and Obama was to send the families back home, intact. The current administration has brazenly admitted to changing the policy specifically in order to gain bargaining leverage with congressional Democrats. In other words, Mr Trump has no problem with the misery and agony of small children deprived of their mothers’ presence, as long as it allows him to score political points. Not much that’s more demonic than that.

 

[catholic1seeks]

There are people better than me who can speak about politics and the law.

But as a Catholic, I’m with the bishops who say that separating immigrant children from parents, or treating immigrants as less than human in general, is wrong.

We must be outraged at this. We must move forward.

 

[EvangelistVictor]

My Jesus!!

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[Cruciferi]

Fine. Annex Mexico and make them start paying taxes.

 

[buffalo]

But as a Catholic, I’m with the bishops who say that separating immigrant children from parents, or treating immigrants as less than human in general, is wrong.

There are quit a few who border patrol agents find are not even related.

 

[Thom18]

It doesn’t matter to me how new it is. Now that it’s back in the light, we as Christians should fight for justice.

So charge the children with something so they can be jailed with their parents?

 

[catholic1seeks]

What are you asking

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

I’m more concerned with helping my fellow countrymen than bringing in more unskilled labor that negatively the most vulnerable members of our working class.