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joe370
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I now understand where you are coming from; no need for us to debate the matter further; thanks for answering and God bless my friend in Christ.
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tweetymom
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God accepts you Rev. and thats the one that counts.
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CMatt25
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Nothing more essential than that!
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dnu
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The Mormons believe Jesus is their Savior too.
I guess if that is all that matters, who needs details, huh?
or maybe…
I guess if that is all that matters, who needs details, huh?
or maybe…
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Matariel
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Your religion says “Catholic convert”. But both paragraphs are against Catholic teaching. In the Catholic view, all Protestant sects, the Catholic Church, and the Eastern Orthodox churches together do not comprise the Mystical Body of Christ. The Mystical Body of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church, as the Catholic Church is the original and true Church of Christ.
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Matariel
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Essential, but there are much more “essentials” than that. Christianity was never intended to be a cafeteria religion where you can pick and choose what doctrines YOU believe, without listening to the Catholic Church of Christ.
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Matariel
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It’s a matter of spiritual and sacramental authority. God is a God of truth, you cannot pick and choose which doctrines of apostolic Christianity (Catholicism) you want to use, and discard others (like apostolic succession and the sacramentality of Christianity).
Read the early Church writings. Study the Scriptures. Read the history of the Church and the Protestant sects. That’s what lead me out of Protestantism and into Christ’s Catholic Church. I found God waiting for me here.
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CMatt25
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Good for you and if someone else finds God waiting for them in another church, good for them. God is not limited to one place. God is all around us. Matt 18:20 For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
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CMatt25
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Or you could simply listen to Christ…
Strive to love one another and also in Matthew ye shall find a way to life everlasting…
25:34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:
36Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.
And if one does not strive do these things… 46And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
Much simpler Christ’s way. Clear without an interpreter and without all the man made rules and rituals.
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joe370
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CMatt25
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Joe, thank you for posting what the CC says. There can be no unity if we rule out ones with whom we desire unity with.
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MyRdmrLvs
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Ok let me see if I have this pope infallibility thing figured out. It doesnt mean, he wont sin or order others to sin, it doesnt mean he cant be evil or comand others to do evil, it doesnt mean he cant be wrong or teach others to be wrong. it doesnt mean he can be counted on to tell us about the true nature of God. What does it mean? that I should be Catholic and submit to his authority.
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schaick
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Check this out:
earlychurch.com/LoveFeast.html
*“The rather amazing thing is that nearly all biblical and patristic scholars—catholic and Protestant, liberal and conservative alike—are agreed on this matter: that New Testament worship consisted of the love feast, followed by preaching and the Eucharist. Here are just a few samples:” *
We actually have a Japanese Church that meets at our Church and they have a meal with their Worship. Basically a good old fashion pitch-in.
"If the love feast was such an integral part of apostolic worship, why is it not still around today? The answer is that the apostolic pattern was eventually altered. Even though Jesus and His apostles handed down the model of having a common meal before the Eucharist, some churches began changing this after the apostles died. During the second and third centuries, the agape was eventually separated from the Eucharist. Churches began celebrating the Eucharist in the morning and hosting the love feast in the evening. "
earlychurch.com/LoveFeast.html
*“The rather amazing thing is that nearly all biblical and patristic scholars—catholic and Protestant, liberal and conservative alike—are agreed on this matter: that New Testament worship consisted of the love feast, followed by preaching and the Eucharist. Here are just a few samples:” *
We actually have a Japanese Church that meets at our Church and they have a meal with their Worship. Basically a good old fashion pitch-in.
"If the love feast was such an integral part of apostolic worship, why is it not still around today? The answer is that the apostolic pattern was eventually altered. Even though Jesus and His apostles handed down the model of having a common meal before the Eucharist, some churches began changing this after the apostles died. During the second and third centuries, the agape was eventually separated from the Eucharist. Churches began celebrating the Eucharist in the morning and hosting the love feast in the evening. "
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MyRdmrLvs
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amen! we should remember that sometimes we can read a negative tone into a text that was not intended by the poster. If we give each other grace and respond in charity, we might be able to spend more time truly understanding why each of us believe as we do.
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MyRdmrLvs
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In general, exemption or immunity from liability to error or failure; in particular in theological usage, the supernatural prerogative by which the Church of Christ is, by a special Divine assistance, preserved from liability to error in her definitive dogmatic teaching regarding matters of faith and morals
what is claimed for the pope is infallibility merely, not impeccability or inspiration (see above under I).
the infallibility claimed for the pope is the same in its nature, scope, and extent as that which the Church as a whole possesses; his ex cathedra teaching does not have to be ratified by the Church’s in order to be infallible.
infallibility is not attributed to every doctrinal act of the pope, but only to his ex cathedra teaching; and the conditions required for ex cathedra teaching are mentioned in the Vatican decree:
We theology looks like it was written by lawyers I begin to get a little suspicious.
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MyRdmrLvs
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AMEN!
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MyRdmrLvs
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If I didnt believe I was already in it, I would come running. I did a thorough search before ending up where we are and yes it would take some very convincing evidence that my church is not valid before I would leave it.This is the first thing I thought about. The huge huge sacrifice those who come home to the Church that Christ provided us would have to make.
The loss of “face”, loss of friends and family, loss of income (for pastors). What a gift that would be for Jesus to do that for Him!
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PJM
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MyRdmrLvs
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this is why I am sympathetic to the RCC only crowd, They believe those outside the RCC are in danger as I believe mormans are in danger. One can not love people and God and remain silent when someone is in danger. I have nothing against mormans, I think they make fine Christians when converted. nor am I offended by wisdomseeker or others here who feel I need to be in the RCC.
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MyRdmrLvs
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Clearly there is too much wiggle room here, Jesus surly needs to have lawyers comb over this and work out some of the ambiguity.
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