where is the historical church founded by Jesus Christ?

[wisdomseeker]

Actually it all began much earlier. Acts 11:26 And they conversed there in the church a whole year; and they taught a great multitude, so that at Antioch the disciples were first named Christians.

and they were Called Catholics. anyone outside the CC were not.

“Among the Greeks it was natural that while Catholic served as the distinctive description of the one Church, the etymological significance of the word was never quite lost sight of. Thus in the “Catechetical Discourses” of St. Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 347) he insists on the one hand (sect. 26): “And if ever thou art sojourning in any city, inquire not simply where the Lord’s house is–for the sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens, houses of the Lord–nor merely where the church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of the holy body the mother of us all.” On the other hand when discussing the word Catholic, which already appears in his form of the baptismal creed, St. Cyril remarks: (sect. 23) “Now it [the Church] is called Catholic because it is throughout the world, from one end of the earth to the other.” But we shall have occasion to quote this passage more at length later on.”

 

[guanophore]

They call me Christian.

This is great news, Tweety!

It is so good to see you demonstrating the integrity of what you believe in your actions and expressions. It is a great testimony to your faith.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Sorry you should do a little studying yourself. I know what I am a believer in Jesus.

exactly. that is my point. you call yourselves Christians by your own accord. and just because of that the early Christians decided to name the true Christians Catholics this way they could be identified as the chosen ones of the God and followers of the true teachings of the Apostles.

here.

“Among the Greeks it was natural that while Catholic served as the distinctive description of the one Church, the etymological significance of the word was never quite lost sight of. Thus in the “Catechetical Discourses” of St. Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 347) he insists on the one hand (sect. 26): **“And if ever thou art sojourning in any city, inquire not simply where the Lord’s house is–for the sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens, houses of the Lord–nor merely where the church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of the holy body the mother of us all.” **On the other hand when discussing the word Catholic, which already appears in his form of the baptismal creed, St. Cyril remarks: (sect. 23) “Now it [the Church] is called Catholic because it is throughout the world, from one end of the earth to the other.” But we shall have occasion to quote this passage more at length later on.”

 

[tweetymom]

exactly. that is my point. you call yourselves Christians by your own accord. and just because of that the early Christians decided to name the true Christians Catholics this way they could be identified as the chosen ones of the God and followers of the true teachings of the Apostles.

here.

“Among the Greeks it was natural that while Catholic served as the distinctive description of the one Church, the etymological significance of the word was never quite lost sight of. Thus in the “Catechetical Discourses” of St. Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 347) he insists on the one hand (sect. 26): **“And if ever thou art sojourning in any city, inquire not simply where the Lord’s house is–for the sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens, houses of the Lord–nor merely where the church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of the holy body the mother of us all.” **On the other hand when discussing the word Catholic, which already appears in his form of the baptismal creed, St. Cyril remarks: (sect. 23) “Now it [the Church] is called Catholic because it is throughout the world, from one end of the earth to the other.” But we shall have occasion to quote this passage more at length later on.”

I call my self and all believers Christian by Jesus accord.

 

[rinnie]

Not angry at all. I reread it and you are saying that the are the same church correct?
But can you explain why the name change?
And why don’t you correct the one who gave me the wrong information?

I did tell you that the First Bishop being named after Peter, being ordained by Peter began calling the same exact church Catholic. Why who knows why he did it, who cares really, everyone knew Christian, Catholic meant the same back then.

Why does my husband call me baby, honey, wife, other half, Better half ( my favorite). Whats the big deal.

WHy does people say your spouse, wife, husband?

The proof is for you to show me how the Bishop who has been shown to you who was ordained directly by Peter was not from the same exact Church from Peter.

So another wards you need to prove to me that Peter ordained that Bishop in another Church except for the Catholic Church, The burden in on you. We have showed our proof. Now its your turn.

 

[CMatt25]

and they were Called Catholics. anyone outside the CC were not.

Well I know they were called Christians in Acts. But Wisdom, can you direct me then to where in Scripture they are called Catholics? Because I just did a search of the entire Douay Rheims and this was what I found:

No results were found for Catholic in the version Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition

 

[rinnie]

I call my self and all believers Christian by Jesus accord.

And tweety I for one will not call you on that one. I agree with you. To be Christian (Catholic) is to believe and accept Jesus CHrist as your personal lord and Savior.

That is what unites us all in Christ. That is what makes us one with him.

 

[guanophore]

exactly. that is my point. you call yourselves Christians by your own accord. and just because of that the early Christians decided to name the true Christians Catholics this way they could be identified as the chosen ones of the God and followers of the true teachings of the Apostles.

We cannot hold the spiritual descendants of the Reformers responsible for the heresies of their forebears. Most modern Protestants don’t even realize that they are separated from the Apostolic faith. The Readers Digest version of Christianity is all they have ever known. Even more, they are trained to believe that the Catholic church has “added to the gospel” with all these “traditions and teachings of men”. They do not know that these elements of the faith were taught and handed down by the Apostles.

So, as far as they know, they are Christians to the extent that they are informed about the Christian life. They are like Apollos, fervent, but uninformed.

 

[rinnie]

Well I know they were called Christians in Acts. But Wisdom, can you direct me then to where in Scripture then they called Catholics? Because I just did a search of the entire Douay Rheims and this was what I found:

No results were found for Catholic in the version(s)ouay-Rheims 1899 American Edition

Matt check out Ignatius for the Church in his letter to the Symeans.

 

[CMatt25]

exactly. that is my point. you call yourselves Christians by your own accord. and just because of that the early Christians decided to name the true Christians Catholics this way they could be identified as the chosen ones of the God and followers of the true teachings of the Apostles.

Earlier than Acts!?

 

[Dokimas]

not only you tell what questions to ask you, you also say something that is not written in the Bible. where does it say that God gives the HS to each invidual to enterpret Scriptures without the Church?

Let me see if I understand your position – the only ones that Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to were the pope, bishop, priests and other church leaders?​

And, who was or were Peter writing to?

 

[CMatt25]

And tweety I for one will not call you on that one. I agree with you. To be Christian (Catholic) is to believe and accept Jesus CHrist as your personal lord and Savior.

That is what unites us all in Christ. That is what makes us one with him.

Preachin to the choir.

 

[Cursilista]

You pretty much answered your own question. Paul, the apostles, are successors to Christ. They can plant and water the seeds, but the holy spirit, through their words, makes those seeds grow within you. Remember that Paul and the apostles were given autoritity to spread the seeds to the whole world. You see, I believe that God is a God of order. Not disorder. Would you leave your instructions with plp you didnt first train.

Below are just a few of the passages, that show how the apostles were given authority over the flock of Jesus.

Matt. 10:1,40 - Jesus declares to His apostles, “he who receives you, receives Me, and he who rejects you, rejects Me and the One who sent Me.” Jesus freely gives His authority to the apostles in order for them to effectively convert the world.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - the apostles are given Christ’s authority to make visible decisions on earth that will be ratified in heaven. God raises up humanity in Christ by exalting his chosen leaders and endowing them with the authority and grace they need to bring about the conversion of all. Without a central authority in the Church, there would be chaos (as there is in Protestantism).

John 13:20 - Jesus says, “he who receives anyone who I send, receives Me.” He who receives the apostles, receives Christ Himself. He who rejects the apostles and their successors, rejects Christ

Acts 20:28 - the apostles are shepherds and guardians appointed by the Holy Spirit / 1 Peter 2:25 - Jesus is the Shepherd and Guardian. The apostles, by the power of the Spirit, share Christ’s ministry and authority.

Eph. 2:20 - the Christian faith is built upon the foundation of the apostles. The word “foundation” proves that it does not die with apostles, but carries on through succession.

Acts 1:15-26 - the first thing Peter does after Jesus ascends into heaven is implement apostolic succession. Matthias is ordained with full apostolic authority. Only the Catholic Church can demonstrate an unbroken apostolic lineage to the apostles in union with Peter through the sacrament of ordination and thereby claim to teach with Christ’s own authority.

Acts 1:20 - a successor of Judas is chosen. The authority of his office (his “bishopric”) is respected notwithstanding his egregious sin. The necessity to have apostolic succession in order for the Church to survive was understood by all. God never said, “I’ll give you leaders with authority for about 400 years, but after the Bible is compiled, you are all on your own.”

The collective wisdom of apostolic succession has governed the Catholic church through 2000 yrs.

This link should provide many passages from the bible that support the importance of Apostolic succession and its importance

scripturecatholic.com/apostolic_succession.html

 

[CMatt25]

Matt check out Ignatius for the Church in his letter to the Symeans.

Is that the same Ignatius who was about 2 yrs old when our Lord was crucified?

 

[guanophore]

Well I know they were called Christians in Acts. But Wisdom, can you direct me then to where in Scripture they are called Catholics? Because I just did a search of the entire Douay Rheims and this was what I found:

No results were found for Catholic in the version Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition

The first use of the term was to refer to the Church as a whole, not individual members of it. It is found:

Act 9:31 So **the church throughout all **Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace and was being built up. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, it multiplied.

The Gk here is ekklesia kath holos -= the Church throughout all

 

[wisdomseeker]

Well I know they were called Christians in Acts. But Wisdom, can you direct me then to where in Scripture they are called Catholics? Because I just did a search of the entire Douay Rheims and this was what I found:

No results were found for Catholic in the version Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition

are you serious? i just gave a quote from the 300s.AD.

as you know, at least i think you should know that the books of the Bible(NT) only includes the letters of the Apostles after that it stopped. but letters continued to be written by the leaders of the Church. do you believe that the Church stopped existing then? do you believe that all the work of the Apostles building that One Church of Jesus was for nothing? that the Jesus who chose St Peter and 12 Apostles was unable to continue HIs chosen of others like the Apostles to continue to build His Church and defend the Faith from false teachings?

 

[rinnie]

Is that the same Ignatius who was about 2 yrs old when our Lord was crucified?

Sorry buddy, I can’t see or spell today. Here it is if you google this you should find it quick.

The Epistle of Ignatus to the Smyrnaeans. I can’t see Jack without my glasses anymore. Sorry if spell isn’t exact but should get you there:blush:.

 

[CMatt25]

The first use of the term was to refer to the Church as a whole, not individual members of it. It is found:

Act 9:31 So **the church throughout all **Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace and was being built up. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, it multiplied.

The Gk here is ekklesia kath holos -= the Church throughout all

So in that case the Douay Rheims is wrong and didn’t translate properly. Because the word Catholic does not appear.

 

[rinnie]

The first use of the term was to refer to the Church as a whole, not individual members of it. It is found:

Act 9:31 So **the church throughout all **Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace and was being built up. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, it multiplied.

The Gk here is ekklesia kath holos -= the Church throughout all

Hi GUAN, Haven’t seen you for awhile. I missed you.

 

[guanophore]

Let me see if I understand your position – the only ones that Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to were the pope, bishop, priests and other church leaders?​

And, who was or were Peter writing to?

No, the HS is given to all who are born again by water and spirit. However, not everyone has the same role or ministry in the Body. Jesus placed the Apostles in the position of authority, and they passed this authority on to their successors, the bishops. Further, the HS is not divisive. The HS is not going to lead individuals in a different direction than He has led the Church, the Bride of Christ. Therefore, when individuals interpret, it is essential to do so in the light of what God has already revealed to the Church.