where is the historical church founded by Jesus Christ?

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Cursilista said:
They created the historical church founded by jesus christ. They were one church all practicing their faith in the same way. The term Catholic means in Latin , Universal or all together, and was 1st used to describe all the churches started by the apostles before the yr 100 AD. It is what others refered to the church as and what the members refered to the church as. The use of the term is not valid because Jesus didnt say go start the Catholic Church by name. He did say he wanted his church to be universal meaning he wanted us to be one of the same beliefs and practices and we are. I believe somewhere in your learning you were taught to think that the word catholic is a four letter word.

You say that jesus is the church. I dont know what you mean by that, so we dont count. only 1 member of the church only jesus? Come on Rev, the church is the community of believers. Jesus is the high priest, the founder, the head of his church.

As a Baptist you read the bible, you know jesus sends his apostles to start his church on earth. I pointed out some of those churches. If you choose not to follow one of those churches that is your decision. I know it must be hard to not see the Baptist Church on that list. The Baptist Church was not started till 1605 by John Smyth in Amsterdam. Im not saying that there arent some good plp in the Baptist church or that they dont have some truths but they are not the historical church founded by Jesus Christ.
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You know when we will find out the real truth? When Jesus comes again.👍
 
Cursilista said:
They created the historical church founded by jesus christ. They were one church all practicing their faith in the same way. The term Catholic means in Latin , Universal or all together, and was 1st used to describe all the churches started by the apostles before the yr 100 AD. It is what others refered to the church as and what the members refered to the church as. The use of the term is not valid because Jesus didnt say go start the Catholic Church by name. He did say he wanted his church to be universal meaning he wanted us to be one of the same beliefs and practices and we are. I believe somewhere in your learning you were taught to think that the word catholic is a four letter word.If you would bother to read some of my posts you will see that I have said that I respect the CC but disagree with some of their teachingsLOR]

You say that jesus is the church. I dont know what you mean by that, so we dont count. only 1 member of the church only jesus? Come on Rev, the church is the community of believers. Jesus is the high priest, the founder, the head of his church.Yes you are correct and that is what I meant by Jesus Christ is the Church, Now the church is the community of believers. I believe in Jesus Christ, other denominations believe in Jesus Christ. Most of my community are believersLOR]

As a Baptist you read the bible, you know jesus sends his apostles to start his church on earth. I pointed out some of those churches. If you choose not to follow one of those churches that is your decision. I know it must be hard to not see the Baptist Church on that list. The Baptist Church was not started till 1605 by John Smyth in Amsterdam. Im not saying that there arent some good plp in the Baptist church or that they dont have some truths but they are not the historical church founded by Jesus Christ.No its not hard no seeing the Baptist church on that list, I don’t expect it to be. Do you not think that I know when and who started the BC. I was Catholic but I disagree with some of the teachings so I left and went to the BC.
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elvisman said:
Your post is very telling of the chaos and constant splintering of the tens of thousands of Protestant sects.

Many of your sentences thoughts begin with I think or I don’t think/believe.

It doesn’t matter what Rev Kevin thinks or believes about anything - the TRUTH is all that matters.
You see - you DO need to belong to his ONE Body.
We ALL DO need to worship the same way because we are, as Paul says, "… one body and one Spirit, as you were also called to the one hope of your call; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all" (Eph. 4:4-6).

Paul goes on to say:
1 Cor. 11:2
"I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you".
2 Thess. 2:15
"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us."

2 Tim. 12:14
***"***Take as your norm the sound words that you heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. Guard this rich trust with the help of the Holy Spirit that dwells within us."

**Finally **- at the Last Supper, Jesus fervently prayed to his Father in heaven:
***“I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, ***so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.
And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may be brought to perfection as one, that the world may know that you sent me, and that you loved them even as you loved me” (John 17:20-23).
**In short - God DOES **care about how we worship and DOES want us to worship alike.
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At least mine don’t begin with WRONG
 
Well guess what. I will worship him anyway I please
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dont get me wrong, i can see that you have a love for Jesus and im glad you do. I dont mean any disrespect, but Worship him anyway I please, is that in the bible?

I was staying on thread with the topic of the where is the historical church of jesus. I gave solid answers and your response was your personal feelings or what you thought.

We may never agree with our protestant brothers but we should all recognize that almost all posters on this site has god in their life. There are so many plp out there that dont.
 
rev_kevin said:
So John the apostle, son of Zebedee the brother of James, didn’t write the book of John? didn’t write the book of John. Matthew (Levi) didn’t write his book? Luke didn’t write his book?
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How do you know that the book we call the gospel of Matthew was written by one of Jesus’ apostles?

Since when did the Gentile Luke become one of Jesus’ Apostles?

The vast majority if the NT letters (Pauline) were written by one who was NOT one of the 12. How do you suppose he learned the gospel?
rev_kevin said:
How do you know when told orally that something didn’t get imbellished, something left out, something put in. You know how when some one tells a story they tend to exagerate, add things to the story, leave things out.
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We believe God at his word.

The LORD said to me, “You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled.” Jer. 1:12

God placed His Word into the Church, and by His power it is preserved. If this is not true, then there is no reason to trust the NT either.
 
CMatt25 said:
😦 Oh I knew guan said earlier sheep are in all faiths and I just thought maybe Catholics were coming to the realization we are all one in Christ.
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We are members one of another, certainly, but we have a long way to go before we attain the unity for which He prayed. Today, I heard that a large Anglican community has decided to come home and will be received according to the Pope’s guidelines. When all the separated brethren do this, then we will be One in Christ. 👍
 
schaick said:
The Catholic Church is no longer the single or best representative of the church that Jesus is building.

All the Catholics out there do you believe that the church is completed?
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Clearly not, so long as there are people like you saying things like this. 😦
 
rev_kevin said:
Is not the CC made up of men. Are men fallible. I don’t blame everything on the CC I respect the CC and have said it many times here and on other threads. Don’t use Jesus to make your point by putting words in my mouth. I never heald Jesus responsible for every single sin that man did in his name, Where did you come up with that lie about what I said. Not confussed just wondering if things are possible. Where did I say I was the true Chruch. I never said that stop putting words in my mouth I said that the true church is Jesus Christ himself. I did not accuse them of lies, I said the may had streatched the truth and I also said that they can be plausible. Do you know what plausible means.
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No, but this very common and deficient view of the “Church” is really the crux of the problem. The CC is founded by Christ, who is her Head. Her soul is the HS, who prevents her from error. fallible men are members of her, but when they sin, they separate themselves from unity with the Church.

To hold the Church (Jesus) responsible for the sins of those men is wrong. To lay the blame a the Church for the misdeeds of men is to blame Christ for their sins.
 
rev_kevin said:
Well guess what. I will worship him anyway I please.
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This is a good example of how individualism has affected Christendom. Instead of the disciples worshipping 'God as He has ordained, we see them taking it upon themselves to do it their own way. I think Americans are more prone to this because our nation is founded upon the princples of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. There is a cultural “I, me, me, MINE” in America that seems unique in the world.
 
rinnie said:
MYRD while I thank you for you kind response I must say one thing, Catholic’s have always and will always read the bible. The difference between Catholic’s and Protestants is this, Catholic are taught that if you are going to read the bible and then interpret it for what you think it is, instead of what it really is, it is better to not read it at all. Because the message that Christ is trying to get across to you is not getting there.

Let me explain:

The scripture MY LORD MY LORD WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME.

I have had thousands of protestants say to me, yes God has forsaken Jesus. I am like huh:confused:

Now If you read in the bible you will see that was a message for the Jews. Who knew scripture better than the Jews. Actually only the Jews at that time knew what Jesus was saying. It was really Jesus saying look what you did to me. If you read that scripture you can see that a light went off in their heads. That scripture continues to show them he fulfilled scripture. Everything they did to him was written before it happened.

Do you see how easy scripture that is written in black and white and seems so plain, but means nothing on the words that were said? That is what the Church teaches us. Don’t read scripture out of context and then run with it. Understand what it means, not what it says. But yes Catholic’s do know thier scripture, and we do not argue and fight over who is right and who is wrong. Because we have the Advocate the HS to lead us into all truth. So we obey and accept the authority given to the Pope and Bishops to lead us to the truth. Because we want Gods truth not what we think truth is.
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My veiw of Catholics has evolved a great deal since that time.
 
rev_kevin said:
As far a them starting one single church which is the teachings of Jesus Christ, no. But as time went on others could have made mistakes. See we are talking about the early Church fathers not the first Church fathers. So is it possible that the early Church fathers made mistakes, sure its possible.
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Again the answer is no. When the Early Fathers of the CHurch down to the current Fathers of the Church can not make a mistake when teaching us the word of God.

I told you once and I will repeat it. It is impossible for the CHURCH to teach us wrong. The CHurch is led by the Power of the Holy Spirit today just as it was yesterday. So nothing is lost.

You continue to turn around the mistakes made by humans in the CC and turn around and blame it on the CHurch which is the living Christ. Now you are turning around not only what others have said here, not you are turning around you own words. Like you do with scripture. I have heard you quite clear, you said the Early Fathers led men astray, and because they could not read, misled them. I remember quite well what you said.

I have told you once and I will repeat it the RCC is led by the Holy Spirit not men. When the Pope teaches us the word of God and speaks ex-cathedra its from the Holy Sprit. Do you know what that means rev?
 
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