"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

[qui_est_ce]

We’re mocking you because more than a third of Americans believe Obama is a Muslim even though he isn’t. Racial stereotypes? Lack of knowledge about even their leader? Pretty easy targets if you ask me. That’s why this whole topic is a source of humour - it just seems like a pretty ridiculous thing to attack your President for, and all part of Republican propaganda.

I can assure you that the French and the Netherlands are not laughing about this.

And since when did a law ever guarentee it will be followed?

Sure, a Muslim could be President in the USA.

But going back to my original point - can you honestly see that happening within the next 100 years?

There are no guarantees in life. We are talking about the rule of law here, not opinions.

 

[irishpatrick]

Although of course the USA only answers if they are attacked or have some benefit themselves… e.g. oil in the Middle East and only “helping” in the 2nd World War after the USA was forced to as a result of Pearl Harbour. Yeah, thanks…

We’re mocking you because more than a third of Americans believe Obama is a Muslim even though he isn’t. Racial stereotypes? Lack of knowledge about even their leader? Pretty easy targets if you ask me. That’s why this whole topic is a source of humour - it just seems like a pretty ridiculous thing to attack your President for, and all part of Republican propaganda.

There are a great many things about Europe that people in the USA mock and deride on a routine basis…I am quite sure Europe will continue to survive without the approval of the USA citzenry–just as the people of the USA will survive just fine.

As for the President and the BC issue…I agree it is a ridiculous issue for people to continue to pursue. However, it absolutely was NOT a ridiculous issue to pursue while the President was simply a candidate. In the USA we do actually believe in the rule of law and in our constitution, and the constitution makes it crystal clear that a person MUST (not might) be a USA natural born citizen in order to be President. You can think that constitutional provision is silly all you want–but then again as I said many people think a great deal of things in Europe are quite silly and many are outright disturbing…we will all live on as usual.

 

[TMC]

perhaps you would like to present “evidence” that shows that he is not a Muslim. Him attending Rev Wright, hateful, anti-American church doesn’t make him a Christian. However, him being born to a Muslim father, and attending a school in a Muslim country where he was registered a Muslim, does count as evidence. Him blatanly favoriting Islamic causes and selecting Muslim individuals to surround him also qualifies, as well as him bowing down to the Islamic rulers as if he was their subject and not the President of United States. Him stating that US is not a Christian country also makes a very clear statement about who HE is. .So please don’t tell us that its all “racial stereotypes”-most people don’t care what race he is but WHAT he is. Perhaps you should adress your country’s issues which are numerous before you start bashing America.

What Muslim causes has he favored and what Muslim individuals surround him? Last time I checked he was prosecuting three wars against Muslim countries and none of his cabinet members or close advisors are Muslim. There is not a single piece of evidence that he is other than what he says he is.

 

[Graubo3]

What Muslim causes has he favored…

I wish he had the brass to speak out against the innocent Christians being slaughtered in the Middle East. He did sound pretty tough with K-daffy though. Have a blessed Easter.

Peace, Graubo

 

[Spirithound]

Then there is the video evidence of Obama personally saying that he was not born in the US and is not an American citizen. What has changed since he made that speech?

This isn’t even a good dub job.

 

[Spirithound]

What possible redress would there be if it became known for certain that BO was not a natural-born citizen?

 

[Michael_C]

Let me try to be more clear.

You asked “how does one’s birthplace affect his or her political decisions”

Nope! You still did answer at all. How does one’s BIRTHPLACE affect a politican’s decisions? You merely side step. Tell me how it affects one,if he or she is born overseas? .

That’s not the point. If the law requires you to be born in America i expect the top government official to follow the law.

Oh much like EVERY other politican?

Good point, I agree. But it doesn’t mean I have to accept that our leaders are corrupt.

You asked: “Second,how is producing a birth certificate going to change your life”

So your hopes hinge on the President’s birthcertificate? Really? As for Healthcare? Please! Republicans are not any better!

My hope doesn’t hinge on his birth certificate, but I am concerned if the top official in the government meets the requirements. Sorry, the comparing Republicans to Democrats argument is weak. I’m an independant and you’re finger pointing at republicans only exposes your partisan sympathies.

Ahhh…spending time on posts that are ‘absurd’ and waste of time pales in comparison to those whining and asking for proof of a birthcertificate. Look at the bigger picture.

Whining?..really, is that charitable? This is a Catholic forum, remember?

 

[LemonAndLime]

There’s no such thing as a good reason to be uncharitable. :tsktsk:

I’m not being “uncharitable”. Someone mentioned Europe mocking the USA over this, so I explained why our comedians etc are. Context is everything.

 

[St_Francis]

perhaps you would like to present “evidence” that shows that he is not a Muslim. Him attending Rev Wright, hateful, anti-American church doesn’t make him a Christian.

Well, just because the minister of the church is anti-American doesn’t make it Moslem, either, so this is more evidence for his being Christian than for his being Moslem.

However, him being born to a Muslim father, ]and attending a school in a Muslim country where he was registered a Muslim, does count as evidence.

No more than his being at a Catholic school in Indonesia is evidence that he is Catholic.

Him blatanly favoriting Islamic causes and selecting Muslim individuals to surround him also qualifies, as well as him bowing down to the Islamic rulers as if he was their subject and not the President of United States.

And what does his bowing to the Japanese emperor indicate?

Evidence of his favoring Moslem causes?

Him stating that US is not a Christian country also makes a very clear statement about who HE is.

Those on the left have been saying that for decades. So all it means is the Obama is on the left…

 

[mary_bobo]

Although of course the USA only answers if they are attacked or have some benefit themselves… e.g. oil in the Middle East and only “helping” in the 2nd World War after the USA was forced to as a result of Pearl Harbour. Yeah, thanks…

We’re mocking you because more than a third of Americans believe Obama is a Muslim even though he isn’t. Racial stereotypes? Lack of knowledge about even their leader? Pretty easy targets if you ask me. That’s why this whole topic is a source of humour - it just seems like a pretty ridiculous thing to attack your President for, and all part of Republican propaganda.

Once again, L&L, you blather on about that which you know little. Racial sterotype? How dare you. The man could not have been elected without votes from many whites. And as far as lack of knowledge is concerned, our press is not ever going to tell us what is behind this man, or any other liberal for that matter and too many of our citizens don’t make the effort to find out about any candidate until the eleventh hour. If you think it is ridiculous to attack someone who runs for president if he is not a natural born citizen of this country, this says more about your ideas of the rule of law. And I dare say you know nothing of Republicans other than what you read from liberals on this forum or in your “unbiased” press. I don’t know, nor care if Obama is a Muslim, and I doubt as many people as you have named do either. Remember, you can get any outcome you wish with a poll.

Laugh if you wish. By doing so it says more about you than it does about us.

 

[LemonAndLime]

Once again, L&L, you blather on about that which you know little. Racial sterotype? How dare you. The man could not have been elected without votes from many whites. And as far as lack of knowledge is concerned, our press is not ever going to tell us what is behind this man, or any other liberal for that matter and too many of our citizens don’t make the effort to find out about any candidate until the eleventh hour. If you think it is ridiculous to attack someone who runs for president if he is not a natural born citizen of this country, this says more about your ideas of the rule of law. And I dare say you know nothing of Republicans other than what you read from liberals on this forum or in your “unbiased” press. I don’t know, nor care if Obama is a Muslim, and I doubt as many people as you have named do either. Remember, you can get any outcome you wish with a poll.

Laugh if you wish. By doing so it says more about you than it does about us.

My comment on racial stereotype was in relation to those who think he’s a Muslim.

I think it’s a massive coincidence that the Republicans are the ones leading this… how concerned they are for upholding the law when it could gain them votes.

Over here in Britain we are always skeptical about politics.

 

[Nicea325]

Nope! You still did answer at all. How does one’s BIRTHPLACE affect a politican’s decisions? You merely side step. Tell me how it affects one,if he or she is born overseas? .

That’s not the point. If the law requires you to be born in America i expect the top government official to follow the law.

And do you really believe being born America makes one a more responsible politician? Something you have still failed to answer. Second, if you think politicians follow the law,then apparently you have not opened your eyes. I cannot believe how so many are still bitter a minority won the office…GET OVER IT!

Good point, I agree. But it doesn’t mean I have to accept that our leaders are corrupt.

No,but what makes you believe it will change?

My hope doesn’t hinge on his birth certificate, but I am concerned if the top official in the government meets the requirements. Sorry, the comparing Republicans to Democrats argument is weak. I’m an independant and you’re finger pointing at republicans only exposes your partisan sympathies.

Ahhhh…how many years is this -re-surfacing? And why? And for whose political gain? Come on buddy…smell the roses. Sorry,but I do not compare Republicans,Democrats, or any party…all the same baloney,different piles.

Whining?..really, is that charitable? This is a Catholic forum, remember?

And claiming and assuming the President was not born here without a shred of evidence is charitable? Really?

 

[agnes_therese]

Maybe it’s time to start pushing the birthers to produce their evidence –

1. Please show your evidence that the President’s parents traveled to Kenya in time for his birth, and did not return until afterward. Passport stamps, airline/ship bookings, anything.
2. Please explain how the Hawaii vital records folks knew to send the birth information of a Kenyan baby to the newspapers so they would publish birth notices just in case the kid ran for President 40+ years later.
   From the Daily Caller, 2/16/2011: “Janice Okubo, a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, told the Honolulu Advertiser in July 2009 that such newspaper announcements were based on notifications from the Health Department, which received information directly from hospitals.”
   Is it your contention that Ms. Okubo was paid off? By whom and how much?
3. Please provide your proof that the Obamas were not living at the address given in the “fake” newspaper birth announcement. Surely you have the purchase/rental, utility, & property tax records showing the “real” residents. Also, why have these “real” residents at this address not come forward?

4)Please explain to all the other people who have a “Certification of Live Birth” why they aren’t “real” U. S. citizens.

1. Please explain what the Republican governor of Hawaii, who also said the President was born there, gained by “lying.” Was he paid off? By whom and how much? Have you got photos of the payoff? Bank records? ANY kind of smoking gun?
2. Explain why the Director of the Hawaii Dept. of Health would claim to have seen the original record? Was Dr. Fukino also paid off? By whom and how much?

That should do for starters.

 

[He_Man]

Nope! You still did answer at all. How does one’s BIRTHPLACE affect a politican’s decisions? You merely side step. Tell me how it affects one,if he or she is born overseas? .

You could make this argument about any law you deem unworthy. Why should the president HAVE to be 35 years old? Why SHOULDN’T a popular president be allowed a 3rd term? Why SHOULD Joe Biden have to stay awake during televised speeches?

If it is the law, according to the constitution, we don’t have to justify the law. If you think it is silly, work to change it.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

McCain was born in Panama. Nobody has the hysterics thinking he was some outsider Manchurian infiltrator. I wonder why that was? Perhaps his skin color and party had something to do with it?

McCain and most normal Republicans have had the decency to drop this outrageously absurd speculation that Obama is a Muslim, Kenya-born spy out to destroy the U.S. Why do people continue to believe this nonsense? It belongs with the type of person who thinks Bush brought down the Twin Towers to start a war…

 

[mary_bobo]

My comment on racial stereotype was in relation to those who think he’s a Muslim.

I think it’s a massive coincidence that the Republicans are the ones leading this… how concerned they are for upholding the law when it could gain them votes.

Over here in Britain we are always skeptical about politics.

• welcome you to the Church and I hope your Easter Vigil is a memorable one for you. I don’t know where you get the idea that Republicans are leading this. Most of the influential Republicans are steering far clear of this. There are always those people who have conspiracy theories, and who have nothing better to do than to fall into the trap of believing anything they hear. I am a conservative first, who happens to be registered as a Republican because at this point in time the Republicans are more suited to my beliefs. Iwas raised a staunch Irish, Democratic Catholic. But the Democrat party left me many years ago.*

 

[St_Francis]

I cannot believe how so many are still bitter a minority won the office…GET OVER IT!!!

This has nothing to do with his race. The Democrats were just as bitter years after Bush supposedly stole the 2000 election and some still are. We have had serious challenges to a surprising number of candidates based on the very issue of the circumstances of their births.

Moreover, most Americans were very hopeful about Obama’s election. Despite the fact that he was more pro-abortion than NARAL, I did hope that his election wpuld provide some racial healing. Instead, he has allowed his new left politics to incite more envy between the classes, and has stated that he would allow the government to be unfunded, the families of our soldiers to go without pay, over government funding of a non-profit organization which performs 1/3 of the nation’s abortions and which really doesn’t even need the money.

Believe me, people don’t care about Obama’s race; they just don’t like his policies.

 

[Bev17243]

My comment on racial stereotype was in relation to those who think he’s a Muslim.

I think it’s a massive coincidence that the Republicans are the ones leading this… how concerned they are for upholding the law when it could gain them votes.

Over here in Britain we are always skeptical about politics.

er, you DO know that Islam is NOT a race, right?

 

[Bev17243]

This has nothing to do with his race. The Democrats were just as bitter years after Bush supposedly stole the 2000 election and some still are. We have had serious challenges to a surprising number of candidates based on the very issue of the circumstances of their births.

Moreover, most Americans were very hopeful about Obama’s election. Despite the fact that he was more pro-abortion than NARAL, I did hope that his election wpuld provide some racial healing. Instead, he has allowed his new left politics to incite more envy between the classes, and has stated that he would allow the government to be unfunded, the families of our soldiers to go without pay, over government funding of a non-profit organization which performs 1/3 of the nation’s abortions and which really doesn’t even need the money.

Believe me, people don’t care about Obama’s race; they just don’t like his policies.

You got that right:thumbsup:

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

This has nothing to do with his race. The Democrats were just as bitter years after Bush supposedly stole the 2000 election and some still are. We have had serious challenges to a surprising number of candidates based on the very issue of the circumstances of their births.

Moreover, most Americans were very hopeful about Obama’s election. Despite the fact that he was more pro-abortion than NARAL, I did hope that his election wpuld provide some racial healing. Instead, he has allowed his new left politics to incite more envy between the classes, and has stated that he would allow the government to be unfunded, the families of our soldiers to go without pay, over government funding of a non-profit organization which performs 1/3 of the nation’s abortions and which really doesn’t even need the money.

Believe me, people don’t care about Obama’s race; they just don’t like his policies.

Perfect post:thumbsup:

(And fanastic username, too )