"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

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Monte_RCMS said:
I’m convinced.

[so what ARE they hiding? i need a birth certificate to get a passport. but not to run for president?]
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You can use a certificate of live birth to get a passport. The Hawaii Vital Stastistics website says so.
 
Sonic said:
Fact Check’s article was actually challenged back in 2008…

Inconsistencies undermine FactCheck report on Obama “birth certificate”:

israelinsider.com/Articles1/Politics/13075.htm

See the bottom of the article for the complete 10 part report.
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It is true that Obama is trying to hide something; it’s just that there is no evidence that he was born outside of Hawaii. There is other information on those certificates, after all…
 
William_Pitts said:
People have seen it. Copies have been published on the internet. It has been investigated and it remains an issue. Why? Because well meaning , and otherwise reasonable people can’t get over the fact that a BLACK man was elected president. Get over it. Do you want to see it? Do you? Really, do you want to see it?

factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

"We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: “This has gotten ridiculous,” state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. “There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy.” . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? “I hope so,” Fukino said. “We need to get some work done.”

Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

There are photos on the site so you can see for yourself.
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Stop being a racist; its disgusting.
 
Joseph_L_Varga said:
In addition, since he never showed his passports and other documents, we can’t be sure whether he truly lost his Kenyan citizenship, and maybe he still continues to be a citizen of Indonesia, as well. We don’t know, because Congress did not investigate his status.

If it turns out, a few years from now, that Barack Obama not only held double or triple citizenship as a child, but he still was double or triple citizen when assuming the office of President of the USA, that will also set a precedent.
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I don’t see it as setting a precedent. More like perjury. He lied (and is still lying). IMHO it will nullify all he did pretenting to be a president. However, it will need someone with extreme strength of character to bring about the correction.
 
Nicea325 said:
I cannot believe how so many are still bitter a minority won the office…GET OVER IT!
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You’ve lost all credibility. Your comment is a clear sign of desperation and a typical leftist tactic.

Happy Easter.
 
Alix1912 said:
I have no doubt that Barack Obama has a valid US birth certificate. However the fact that they will not let anyone see it leads me to believe there is either some sort of religious designation, or a dual citizenship issue that has not been completely resolved. Seriously, if they would just publish a certified copy of it, this would all go away. The fact that they won’t does strike me as strange. However, I think the continued focus on it is getting silly at this point.
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But he is the most accountable and transparent President in the history of the world! Isn’t he the one that is going to get us past all of this bitter partisan bickering?
 
K-McD said:
I don’t see it as setting a precedent. More like perjury. He lied (and is still lying). IMHO it will nullify all he did pretenting to be a president. However, it will need someone with extreme strength of character to bring about the correction.
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Too bad we don’t have anyone with that particular quality in office right now.
 
I am so tired of the unbelievers.
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And I am so tired of this subject being brought up again and again on CAF. Regardless of what side you’re on. It’s like you’re looking to stir the pot like Trump.
 
Graubo3 said:
William, take a deep breath and let it go, the truth always prevails:). Have a blessed Easter:).

Peace, Graubo
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Truth? I thought we were talking about politics. What do those two have in common? 🤷
 
William, let it go. You should be more concerned about George Snuffalupugus pretending to be a journalist on a national network riding shotgun for an abortion-clinger politician. Have a blessed Easter:).

Peace, Graubo
 
I’m appalled that people are even wasting time arguing about this issue. It is so embarrassing to be Catholic and find this a topic seriously being discussed on this forum. Obama’s documents have met the legal litmus test - SO GET OVER IT!

If you want to fight the culture wars, then fight them with a leader who shows some moral integrity. Donald Trump has THREE WIVES and is therefore a serial adulterer - WHICH IS A MORTAL SIN that Jesus SPECIFICALLY addresses in the Gospels as a VIOLATION of GOD’S WILL. The fact that he LOVES this issue should be a RED FLAG to anyone trying to figure out where the DEVIL is acting in politics. I do not believe SATAN draws the line between RED and BLUE - he acts on both sides, and nothing pleases him more than to get otherwise virtuous people to follow along with one of his schemes.

Republican Catholics should be seriously worried about the fact that the Republican party has yet to produce a leader with any moral integrity who is willing to run for President. Why do you think that is? I am not impressed with the current field at all.
 
bellasbane said:
I’m appalled that people are even wasting time arguing about this issue. It is so embarrassing to be Catholic and find this a topic seriously being discussed on this forum. Obama’s documents have met the legal litmus test - SO GET OVER IT!

If you want to fight the culture wars, then fight them with a leader who shows some moral integrity. Donald Trump has THREE WIVES and is therefore a serial adulterer - WHICH IS A MORTAL SIN that Jesus SPECIFICALLY addresses in the Gospels as a VIOLATION of GOD’S WILL. The fact that he LOVES this issue should be a RED FLAG to anyone trying to figure out where the DEVIL is acting in politics. I do not believe SATAN draws the line between RED and BLUE - he acts on both sides, and nothing pleases him more than to get otherwise virtuous people to follow along with one of his schemes.

Republican Catholics should be seriously worried about the fact that the Republican party has yet to produce a leader with any moral integrity who is willing to run for President. Why do you think that is? I am not impressed with the current field at all.
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If this was a dead issue, it would be…well…dead. John McCain put his issue to rest in like 5 minutes. Yet this issue lingers becaues Barack Obama WANTS IT TO LINGER! He is playing politics and doing the very thing that he said he would stop if elected. Republicans may be making hay out of nothing in your opinion, but BO is proving that he is just another sneaky, deceitful, lying politician, nothing more. THAT should concern you as a Catholic more than the Birth Certificate issue.

Barack Obama lies with specific intent and for personal gain. THAT IS A MORTAL SIN. So the sword cuts both ways. He has acted to facilitate and broaden the scope of abortion in this country and around the world. That is a MORTAL SIN and is grounds for latia sententia excommunication. Just as Katherine Sebellius.

What should also concern you is how flagrantly this administration violates the personal property rights of the citizens of this country, something that every Pope has confirmed as being an integral part of natural law.
 
NOTICE

I have merged all the birth certificate threads. This is a valid topic here and will remain so as long as members post charitably. People are finding themselves suspended, not because they are discusssing this topic, but because they are not being charitable to one another.

Rules for discussing this topic:
  1. Keep all posts charitable
  2. Don’t accuse people of racism
  3. Stay on topic. The topic is Obama’s birth certificate, not someone else’s. Only bring up someone else’s birth certificate if it directly relates to this case. Don’t bring up abortion or any other issue that may throw the thread off topic.
  4. Discuss the issues, not each other.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
If this was a dead issue, it would be…well…dead. John McCain put his issue to rest in like 5 minutes. Yet this issue lingers becaues Barack Obama WANTS IT TO LINGER! He is playing politics and doing the very thing that he said he would stop if elected. Republicans may be making hay out of nothing in your opinion, but BO is proving that he is just another sneaky, deceitful, lying politician, nothing more. THAT should concern you as a Catholic more than the Birth Certificate issue.

Barack Obama lies with specific intent and for personal gain. THAT IS A MORTAL SIN. So the sword cuts both ways. He has acted to facilitate and broaden the scope of abortion in this country and around the world. That is a MORTAL SIN and is grounds for latia sententia excommunication. Just as Katherine Sebellius.

What should also concern you is how flagrantly this administration violates the personal property rights of the citizens of this country, something that every Pope has confirmed as being an integral part of natural law.
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Barack Obama may well be “just another sneaky, deceitful, lying politician”, but I don’t believe he is lying about where he was born! Pick a real lie and start a thread about that.

However, you fail to address the fact that there is NO good Republican candidate to vote for among the current candidates. You don’t want to vote for Barack Obama, fine. I don’t want to vote for Donald Trump. Isn’t that was equally valid? I think having NOBODY to vote for is the real issue.

“Personal Property Rights” sounds like a Libertarian argument, but true Libertarians don’t use the coercive power of government to fight culture wars - which is where the “Abortion” issue falls. So, I’m confused about the logic of your arguments, which appear to be all over the map and are getting me no closer to having a candidate to vote for in 2012.
 
bellasbane said:
However, you fail to address the fact that there is NO good Republican candidate to vote for among the current candidates. You don’t want to vote for Barack Obama, fine. I don’t want to vote for Donald Trump. Isn’t that was equally valid? I think having NOBODY to vote for is the real issue.

“Personal Property Rights” sounds like a Libertarian argument, but true Libertarians don’t use the coercive power of government to fight culture wars - which is where the “Abortion” issue falls. So, I’m confused about the logic of your arguments, which appear to be all over the map and are getting me no closer to having a candidate to vote for in 2012.
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This is all off-topic. Could we stay on topic please?
 
I have seen quite a bit about the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, and I find it convincing. I will summarize that evidence here:
  1. The Certificate of Live Birth
  2. The newspaper announcements
  3. The fact that his mother and father indisuptably lived in Hawaii
    a. Property records show they lived there
    b. His parents both attended UH there
  4. Several people that knew the Obamas from UH have come forward to say they remember when Barack was born, including the current Governor of Hawaii.
I’m sure there is more, but those are the main points in my mind. But maybe I am biased or missing something. Can someone that believes he was not born in the US, or believes he might not have been born in the US, please summarize the main points supporting that position?
 
TMC said:
I have seen quite a bit about the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, and I find it convincing. I will summarize that evidence here:
  1. The Certificate of Live Birth
  2. The newspaper announcements
  3. The fact that his mother and father indisuptably lived in Hawaii
    a. Property records show they lived there
    b. His parents both attended UH there
  4. Several people that knew the Obamas from UH have come forward to say they remember when Barack was born, including the current Governor of Hawaii.
I’m sure there is more, but those are the main points in my mind. But maybe I am biased or missing something. Can someone that believes he was not born in the US, or believes he might not have been born in the US, please summarize the main points supporting that position?
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Just a few questions. Why is it that no one from his Columbia University days claims to have known him. Usually people are only too quick to claim they knew someone famous. How come his records there are sealed? A survey has conducted of 400 students who were at Columbia at the same time were questioned. Not one of them knew or knew of Barack Obama. One student, who was a political science major and graduated the same year had never heard of Obama. Strange? And Obama’s picture is not in the Columbia yearbook. Strange?

I am sure those who support the agenda will find ways to discount this. I don’t know where he was born and I have not questioned this nor am I a
birther. But I would think if one had any curiosity at all, and any respect for our Constitution, they would want these things answered. It would only take the simple action of releasing the birth certificate. How hard can that be if you have one?
 
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