Which Doctrines Do All Protestants Agree Upon?

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MariaG said:
You don’t seem like you are defending your Protestant brethren from fellow Catholics but a catholic who is not in communion with the bishop of Rome.

Just wondering.
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“A catholic who is not in communion with the Bishop of Rome.” ???

Let us not confuse ourselves. Such a person is not a catholic, not a member of the Mystical Body of Christ.

We used to call such a person a ‘heretic’. By definition that is what that person is. Now, in these ecumenical times, we don’t use such terminology, but I object to them calling themselves ‘catholics’. If they want to be ‘caltholic’, join the Roman Catholic Church, or the Eastern Church.

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Teflon93 said:
Perhaps specificity and links in your posts would improve clarity, if not charity.
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Do your own homework well, and don’t blame me for your haste or carelessness. Did I need to specify the Westminster Confession modifications for you to do your homework properly? As there may be other official documents from other denominations that have been modified, and I’m not going to take the time right now to research all of them, I chose not to specify. It remains clear, and is not uncharitable in the least. “Some used to, and have since modified their statements.” What’s unclear or uncharitable about that?

Give it a break, fighting or attacking me doesn’t bother me a bit, however you might embarrass yourself.

Michael
 
Teflon93 said:
Nope—not looking to play there; just denominations which claim to be part of the Protestant tradition.

For example, the Pentecostals split from the Methodists split from the Anglicans, so I’d say Pentecostals viably claim to be Protestant.

We could start with the mainline Protestants and work out if that’s more productive.

Lutherans
Anglicans/Episcopalians
Presbyterians
Methodists
Baptists
Pentecostals

Any others that would be considered Protestant mainline churches?
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Baptist are not Protesrants
 
Would you agree with the first point if it took into account points 2, 3, and 4? Meaning, based on Scripture doesn’t mean it needs to be explicitly stated, can be deduced from Scripture, reason, experience, and not contrary to theology based on Scripture?
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Well 2.3 and 4 certainly take care of a lot on their own. I guess my objection to one would be that it excludes the teaching authority of the Church.

How about this? All Protestant churches spring from Catholicism (even if some are branches of branches) and so the common thread within Protestantism is its connection to Catholicism? So far the only things that I can see that are truly common so far are things that Protestants share with Catholics.

Even some of the doctrines that are supposedly uniquely-Protestant ultimately look like Catholic beliefs that have simply been separated from the teaching authority of the Church and renamed. Though admittedly there are some uniquely-Protestant doctrines out there it still seems like all that is universally shared is that which is shared with Catholicism.

Sorry if this seems off topic Teflon. I personally have thought that this thread has pretty much stayed on topic with only minor excursions for clarification.
 
estesbob said:
I’m sure your mind there is a moral equivalence between the tongue-in-cheek comment I made and the vicious hatred and bigotry directed towards my church on a daily basis. You want to attack me rather admit that Protestantism was based on attacking the church and that this attack still goes on today.
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It was tongue-in-cheek and yet you went to the effort to defend it and google and post several sites to back-up your words? Sounds like you took it a bit serious there.

As you said “You didnt read all the links , did you?. You accused me of bearing false witness. In 30 seconds I googled hundreds of sites sliming my Church. Of course not all protestant churh’s do so but then you are the only one who took my post literaly. You need to open your eyes to the bigotry and hate directed at pour Church on a daily basis.”

Next time I’ll listen for the laughter so I know you are joking, yet if your statement wasn’t questioned, not sure if you’d be saying it was just in fun. I hope that’s not your idea of funny, saying tongue-in-cheek that all Protestants share the belief that the Pope is the anti-Christ, he he, he he, roll-over laughing…

Michael
 
MariaG said:
Hey, just a quick question.

Catholic in communion with the Bishop of Rome?

I have been trying to understand your posts and can’t figure out why you are taking offense when even the Protestants here understood the Satan comment was not a serious comment to mean that all Protestant denoms believed that, although there are many people within those denoms that may.

You don’t seem like you are defending your Protestant brethren from fellow Catholics but a catholic who is not in communion with the bishop of Rome.

Just wondering.
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O.K. In response to:
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Originally Posted by estesbob
The one doctrine that unifies them all is the doctrine that the Catholic Church is the spawn of satan.”

I replied:
“That was not worth saying. Christians can disagree without having to think the other is satanic. Such false witness, even if joking, is uncalled for.”

So, you don’t understand why I take offense to that statement? Please tell me which part of my reply do you disagree with. And then tell me how saying that brings my communion with the bishop of Rome into question?

You say “You don’t seem like you are defending your Protestant brethren from fellow Catholics but a catholic who is not in communion with the bishop of Rome.”
Why because I saw the comment as uncharitable, and false? Maybe you should be a little more careful about questioning whether someone is Catholic or not. Do you think Jesus would approve of what the poster said, regardless of whether the poster was joking or not? If not, then any Catholic should take offense to the comment and not have their faith questioned as a result. Really, shouldn’t true Catholics be more careful with their words, and take offense at uncharitable generalizations such as that?

Michael
 
rtconstant said:
Well 2.3 and 4 certainly take care of a lot on their own. I guess my objection to one would be that it excludes the teaching authority of the Church.
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Yes, that’s why 2, 3, and 4 would be necessary, 1 would not be able to stand alone just for the reason you mention.

So, in some ways, the importance of Scripture and Tradition would be common among Catholics and Protestants. With the difficulty that not all will agree with interpretations as there can be differences concerning what is reason, and what experience teaches us.

Michael
 
mgrfin said:
“A catholic who is not in communion with the Bishop of Rome.” ???

Let us not confuse ourselves. Such a person is not a catholic, not a member of the Mystical Body of Christ.

We used to call such a person a ‘heretic’. By definition that is what that person is. Now, in these ecumenical times, we don’t use such terminology, but I object to them calling themselves ‘catholics’. If they want to be ‘caltholic’, join the Roman Catholic Church, or the Eastern Church.

peace
peace
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Yes, if one is not a member of the Mystical Body of Christ, then they are not Catholic. Sure am glad to be a member of the Roman Catholic Church, by the grace of God.

What is troubling to me is those who call themselves Catholic and go through the motion of going to Sunday Mass, and then are unreasonably careless with their words and actions toward others. They might even get all self-righteous and question whether others are Catholic because they don’t like something the other person said. The outside is all shine, and the inside not so shiny. Like a hypocrite.

Michael
 
Mt_28_19_20 said:
You say “You don’t seem like you are defending your Protestant brethren from fellow Catholics but a catholic who is not in communion with the bishop of Rome.”
Why because I saw the comment as uncharitable, and false? Maybe you should be a little more careful about questioning whether someone is Catholic or not. Do you think Jesus would approve of what the poster said, regardless of whether the poster was joking or not? If not, then any Catholic should take offense to the comment and not have their faith questioned as a result. Really, shouldn’t true Catholics be more careful with their words, and take offense at uncharitable generalizations such as that?

Michael
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So are you or are you not in communion with Rome?
 
Mt_28_19_20 said:
Yes, if one is not a member of the Mystical Body of Christ, then they are not Catholic. Sure am glad to be a member of the Roman Catholic Church, by the grace of God.

What is troubling to me is those who call themselves Catholic and go through the motion of going to Sunday Mass, and then are unreasonably careless with their words and actions toward others. They might even get all self-righteous and question whether others are Catholic because they don’t like something the other person said. The outside is all shine, and the inside not so shiny. Like a hypocrite.

Michael
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Or maybe we’re just asking a question. We have a number of brothers who are Catholic but not in communion with Rome, and they say so (even in their signature lines) so that what they say won’t be construed as being otherwise.
 
rtconstant said:
Even some of the doctrines that are supposedly uniquely-Protestant ultimately look like Catholic beliefs that have simply been separated from the teaching authority of the Church and renamed. Though admittedly there are some uniquely-Protestant doctrines out there it still seems like all that is universally shared is that which is shared with Catholicism.
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Seems pretty accurate. The question that comes up, is did they seperate fromthe teaching authority of the Church out of self-centered reasons, or because they believed there was “corruption” that required reform and the reform was too long in coming?

So, there is a lot held in common among major Protestant denominations, though not unique to Protestants, and the Apostle’s creed is a fairly good list, except for minor disagreements on wording?
 
Mt_28_19_20 said:
Next time I’ll listen for the laughter so I know you are joking, yet if your statement wasn’t questioned, not sure if you’d be saying it was just in fun. I hope that’s not your idea of funny, saying tongue-in-cheek that all Protestants share the belief that the Pope is the anti-Christ, he he, he he, roll-over laughing…

Michael
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In order to recognize laughter one first must have a sense of humor. Having watched you alienate just about everyone in this thread I doubt that you do.
 
Mt_28_19_20 said:
Yes, if one is not a member of the Mystical Body of Christ, then they are not Catholic. Sure am glad to be a member of the Roman Catholic Church, by the grace of God.

What is troubling to me is those who call themselves Catholic and go through the motion of going to Sunday Mass, and then are unreasonably careless with their words and actions toward others. They might even get all self-righteous and question whether others are Catholic because they don’t like something the other person said. The outside is all shine, and the inside not so shiny. Like a hypocrite.

Michael
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Does anyone else see the supreme irony of this?
 
Teflon93 said:
So are you or are you not in communion with Rome?
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Isn’t this question side-tracking the thread?

I’ve said it before, and find it amusing you even ask. I am in communion with Jesus Christ, and thus His Church with all of us imperfect members of the Body of Christ. Thank God for confession and the Eucharist.

Now, I’ll ask without wanting an answer to the question, since it is really between you and God, and not for me to question, just so you get a sense of why I find it amusing you or anyone else would even question if I am Catholic.
Are you sure you are Catholic? Are you really in communion with Rome? After all, when is the last time you mentioned Jesus Christ in one of your posts? Or where charitable toward nonCatholics? When’s the last time you referred to Scripture? As often as you mention Luther’s errors? Was the purpose of this thread charitable? Can you give a reasonable defense of what you believe, as we are told is expected of Catholics? Or do you rely on what others have written in cookie-cutter Catholic apologetics?

As someone else, wrote “Just wondering…”

Anyway, glad you joined the Catholic Church, and may God continue to bless you.

Michael
 
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