'White Europe': 60,000 nationalists march on Poland's independence day

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The 20,000 Bobover Hasids, of which Grunfeld and the Reiss brothers were leaders, is the largest Hasidic community in Borough Park, Brooklyn, which is known for its Orthodox populations. The arrests of the rabbis was particularly bewildering, said the New York Times, because “in the pious Bobov community drug addiction is virtually unheard of.” “Everybody in this community is a rabbi,” Dov Hiskin (the Democratic Assemblyman who represents the largely Hasidic district that includes Borough Park) sarcastically told reporters, “If you have a beard, they call you a rabbi.” [NYT, JUNE 17, 18] Hiskind – a former member of Rabbi Meir Kahane’s Jewish Defense League – is a well-known personality in New York City, described by the Times as “one the most ardent and visible advocates of Jewish causes on New York City’s political scene.” FRIED, B1 “[The Bobov Hasids] are completely shocked by the terrible allegations,” Hikind announced the next day, “and hope and pray they are not true.” [GOLDMAN]
 
It is doubtful if Hiskind’s own prayers will help. Two months later Hiskind himself was facing serious legal problems of his own, eventually being charged with crimes by a Federal Grand Jury in Brooklyn, facing up to ten years in prison for taking at least $40,000 in payoffs from officials of the government-funded Council of Jewish Organizations of Borough Park. The Assemblyman was charged with misappropriation of funds, criminal conspiracy, fraud, and corrupt solicitation and acceptance of funds. Hikind was charged with using the money to pay for his children’s tuition, for supporting illegal fund-raising activities, as well as financing trips to France and Israel. Officials of the Jewish Organizations of Borough Park, Rabbi Elimelech Naiman, Director of Employment and Training, and Paul Chernick, Director of Operations, were earlier charged with stealing up to $600,000 from federal grant monies. (Yet another rabbi, Elliot Amsel, a “key fund raiser for Assemblyman Hikind,” and president of Syrit College, was also charged by federal agents with putting $419,000 intended for the college into his personal bank account. [COHLER-ESSES, ORTHODOX, p. 9] Federal investigators charged Hikind with taking payoffs from them in exchange for funneling state grants – up to five million dollars a year – their way. In a press conference about the charges against him, Hikind asserted “that the Federal charges were part of an attempt to silence him. He declined to identify who was trying to silence him, but made reference to ‘self-hatred, jealousy, and self-interest among Jews.’” [SULLIVAN, B3 FRIED, 9-27-97, SULLIVAN, B3, FRIED, 8-8-97, FRIED, 3-28-97]
 
Such wheelings and dealings in the Jewish Orthodox religious community go on and on:

In 1990, the editor of a Hebrew-language weekly newspaper in Brooklyn was arrested on charges of extortion from an official of the Satmar Orthodox community. Chaim Shaulson, the son of a Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem, was accused of accepting $50,000 to avoid writing critical articles about the Satmar group in his paper. [BIRNBAUM, p. 26]
In 1996 the “largest case of voter fraud in the history of New York state” was discovered in the Satmar hasidic communities of Brooklyn and Kiryas Joel. In a check of 1,134 voting records of names linked to an address at the local United Talmudic Academy, the Times Herald-Record of Middleton, New York, found 121 cases of voter fraud, double-voting in two New York localities, a state felony. [GREENBERG, E. CITY, p. 1] In 2001, in England, two Hassids were “convicted of the biggest vote-rigging conspiracy ever brought before a British court.” Isaac Leibowitz and Zev Lieberman, “two local government politicians in north London,” represented both the Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties. [DAVIS, D., 3-11-01] They were sentenced to only six and four months in jail, respectively, causing six members of the British Parliament to protest that the sentences were “absurdly lenient.” [ROCKER, S., 4-27-01, p. 1]
 
I specifically cited with reference to the facts , especially important for special services of different countries to pay attention to Jewish sects functioning in theirs countries.
The Newspapers often can blame the other nations, I reminded Italians for example, I am sure that in New-York or Chicago excursions the tour guide never say that the heads of Italian drug Maffia in America consisted of Jews. Notorious mafia with Italian names it’s all Jews.
Some Jews who were in contact with the mob even proudly wrote books about it.
Also today in large-scale corruption accusations you can blame the Ukrainians, Poles, Hungarians, Lithuanians, but the trail leads to offshore webs, where the vast majority of criminal international with Semitic faces.
Many of the countries these people consider to be their private fiefdom. And in these countries without the help of Western financial special services nothing can be changed.
And while in Ukraine blood is shed for the homeland, the romantic patriotic golden youth dreams about change and independance, this Jewish-Russian fifth column is robbing the people.
 
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Egypt and (what we now call) England both underwent massive demographic change when the Roman/Byzantine Empire lost control of them. That’s why Egypt is now Arab and England is Anglo-Saxon.

No one here has any reason to lend authority to your opinion on the morality of not wanting countries overrun by foreigners. If you want to convince anyone else of your opinion then make an argument.
 
The genetic makeup of the populations in England and Egypt did not change very much at all. The modern Egyptians are the descendants of the ancient Egyptians and the modern Britons are the descendants of the ancient Britons. There was no population replacement, there was a cultural and linguistic replacement.

And I have made an argument. Desires of racial purity are precisely what lead to the Holocaust. It is a ridiculous and vile view, disgusting and racist and I will openly question the morality of anyone who advocates for such a policy.
 
Perhaps in Western societies, less and less people depend on zombie-box, but still, for a large part of the population influenced by the TV screen creates a particular reality which shapes us. If absolutely unbearable subsistence minimum for pensioners, the hopelessness of young people to dream about a housing or family in abundance, or unbearable subsistence for lonely mothers with children, people with disabilities, we are told that everything is fine.
TV preaches success and prosperity, the beautiful and rich life, lust, and travel for the rich.
I think if the prophet Elijah or John the Baptist would have been today in the modern society, he might be put in a lunatic hospital or could be killed.

I think that theirs are now performing the function of incorruptible journalists, or honest inspector of financial frauds.
The honest journalists, incorruptible judges, and other people of good will who fight injustice, to varying degrees fulfill the mission of the ancient prophets.
If there is a problem of foreigners which are the agents of other countries and looting the state for personal enrichment?
Unfortunately this problem exists.
Don’t know to what extent the actual question of the national minorities but it wouldn’t hurt to monitor the gentlemen who are involved in the highest echelons of government , or are in major financial flows, being at the same time the citizens of Israel.
 
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I’m gonna have to ask for a source for the claim that England and Egypt are genetically the same today as their ancient counterparts. That would be very unusual, given the massive influx of foreigners that poured into both of those countries when the Roman Empire lost them.

Railroads and chemistry also led to the Holocaust, should we abolish them as well?
 

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what is interesting for me in this fresh news is that people’s money in such huge amounts are shared around the world in different ways by these gentlemens, аnd the people silently paying more and more taxes.
 
Further to the point of invasions, just how many Romans do you imagine were in Britain or Egypt? Latin people’s were a minority in the Roman Empire, just as Britons were a minority in the British Empire. What made the Romans succesful wasn’t wiping out the natives, it was in exporting their culture. The Britons under Roman rule remained Britons, they in fact developed a hybrid Romano-British culture which ensured for a century after Rome pulled out. Then the Anglo Saxons came alpng, again a small group of invaders, and English began to replace the Brithonic languqges.
 
Per your wikipedia link, England is 20-40% genetically Germanic. That this massive demographic influx was accompanied by complete cultural and linguistic transformation demonstrates rather than refutes my point. Likewise that transformation being more drastic than the Roman occupation (which as you mention, involved little demographic change).

“And no matter how you try, trying to justify racial purity is one of the great evils.”

If you say so.
 
I’m not aware of any groups at the march that used “racial purity” as a slogan. In any case, its just common sense that if you replace one population with another, you’ll effectively have a different country.
 
“Let’s not play disingenuous games, when you shout ‘white Poland’ and start on with that sort of stuff what is meant is very, very obvious.”

I’m fine discussing meaning, but lets discuss meanings instead of slogans. Someone who responds to an argument with “racial purity is bad” is just as irrational as someone who engages in standard sloganeering.

“Also indeed you will have a different country when you replace one population with another, that process is ongoing around us all the time. We are all mongrels.”

That all peoples eventually give way to new peoples is true, but it doesn’t mean that the process should be deliberately sped up, anymore than the inevitability of death justifies deliberate shortening of life.

“As to the continuing theme of ‘the Jew, the Jew’ and time delayed reports from Der Sturmer recycled for the modern age that are we been regaled with here they rather lose their novelty after a bit, although they are still capable of doing a great deal of damage.”

There’s no reason why the Jews should be off-limits to discussion.
 
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That all peoples eventually give way to new peoples is true, but it doesn’t mean that the process should be deliberately sped up, anymore than the inevitability of death justifies deliberate shortening of life.
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They should try telling that to those who virtue-signal on behalf of Native Americans.
 
So then it’s okay for jihadi Muslim men to conquer the West and take it back to sharia law and the 7th Century?

Because the Angles and Saxons (and later the Vikings) wreaked havoc in the Isles?
 
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So then it’s okay for jihadi Muslim men to conquer the West and take it back to sharia law and the 7th Century?

Because the Angles and Saxons (and later the Vikings) wreaked havoc in the Isles?
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You do understand that by “conquer”, I meant defeated the natives’ governing structure and imposed themselves in its place (you know, like how the Normans replaced most of the Anglo-Saxon nobles after Hastings). Migrants coming in and occupying pretty much much the bottom spheres of a society is kind of the exact opposite of a conquest, unless you believe in all the Fifth Column nonsense that goes around in anti-Muslim circles. This is just the latest iteration of the “Yellow Hoard” applied to the Chinese a century ago, or before that to anyone from a Catholic or Eastern European country; you know, those dirty nasty overbreeding Mary-worshipping types with loyalty only to the Pope, who are going to outbreed all the God-fearing Anglo-Saxon Protestants in America!

Oh yes, these delusions have a long, pathetic, sordid history. It always amazes me how how the objects of bigotry change, but the same accusations keep being made. Whether it’s the Irish and Italians, the Chinese or the Muslims, it’s always about “breeding”. The obsession with sexuality, the fear of Anglo-Saxon precious bodily fluids, of immigrants who are in a vast plot to overwhelm proper white Anglo-Saxon society. Light those crosses boy, we’ve got some overactive alien uteruses to put in their place!
 
The Yellow Hoard arguments don’t track because there wasn’t an East Asian desire to demographically conquer Europe.

There’s a lot of islamic leaders who wish they could Europe by demographics, but Muslims aren’t really listening that closely.

It’s not population numbers that should concern people but the confidence of one culture versus another.
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It always amazes me how how the objects of bigotry change, but the same accusations keep being made.
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Bigotry is only a problem from your side if it comes from straight, white Christian males. Otherwise, (perhaps even you yourself) liberals by and large don’t care if they are pushed around or if everything they’ve fought for goes up in smoke. Just as long as the conquers have the right religion and skin colour.

I don’t think you appreciate the danger of the situation, but in order to do that, you actually have to care.
 
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The Yellow Hoard arguments don’t track because there wasn’t an East Asian desire to demographically conquer Europe.
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Well, we know that in retrospect.

There’s a lot of islamic leaders who wish they could Europe by demographics, but Muslims aren’t really listening that closely.
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By a lot, how many, and how influential are they? From what I can tell, most Muslims coming into Europe are either economic migrants or refugees from the Syrian civil war. The one group wants to make money, the other just wants to stay alive. Neither sound like the Fifth Column you’re trying to claim they are.
It’s not population numbers that should concern people but the confidence of one culture versus another.
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This seems rather subjective to me, and is another example of how those who hate and fear Muslims try to make them a species apart.

niceatheist said:
It always amazes me how how the objects of bigotry change, but the same accusations keep being made.
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Bigotry is only a problem from your side if it comes from straight, white Christian males. Otherwise, (perhaps even you yourself) liberals by and large don’t care if they are pushed around or if everything they’ve fought for goes up in smoke. Just as long as the conquers have the right religion and skin colour.
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Oh my, the poor white male, ruler of the world, a bit more inconvenienced these days.

Cry my a river.
I don’t think you appreciate the danger of the situation, but in order to do that, you actually have to care.
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What I appreciate is the context of your anti-Muslim tropes. They have been recycled, at times almost word for word, from previous anti-immigrant tropes.
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