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dvdjs
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I have five posts on this thread. You have quoted none of them. And your post “pertains directly” to none of them.
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'White Europe': 60,000 nationalists march on Poland's independence day
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niceatheist
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That’s a lot of words to cover up the fact that such false reports make up a miniscule percentage of overall reported hate crimes. Let’s just cut to the chase and call your claim debunked.
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SuperLuigi
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The key word is reported, not prosecuted or found guilty.
It also sounds like you think filing false reports is fine as long as they are a small and especially if they fit your left-wing ideology.
Which claim did I make that you think you’ve debunked?
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niceatheist
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The implicit claim that hate crimes are being exaggerated, that reports of them are littered with fakes.
You don’t take me for an idiot, I’m sure, so don’t play one yourself. You even still try to make the assertion in the first part of your reply.
Even if the hoaxes were two or three times greater than that website you provided, they would still be statistically insignificant, and you know it because you trotted out the tired “even one is too many” which is the standard defense of bogus hysteria.
You don’t take me for an idiot, I’m sure, so don’t play one yourself. You even still try to make the assertion in the first part of your reply.
Even if the hoaxes were two or three times greater than that website you provided, they would still be statistically insignificant, and you know it because you trotted out the tired “even one is too many” which is the standard defense of bogus hysteria.
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SuperLuigi
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The fake ones have been proven fake. They are not speculated or just reported on.
They’re still a problem. What you are trying to do is reduce this to a mathematical equation because you and I both know that it makes the left look bad.
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niceatheist
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You just can’t quit. Hoax claims are statistically insignificant, end of story.
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FirstFiveEighth
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Well clearly Irish people are light skinned, freckled, and have red hair and green eyes. Just kidding.
I am no anthropologist, nor did I stay at a holiday inn last night, but I’d imagine that the vast majority of Irish people share a similar ancestry to other Northern European countries and are some mix of Celtic and Germanic in ancestry.
Such things of course can and do change with influxes of different groups of people. I could be wrong but I don’t think Ireland has had such a massive influx of immigration recently to change the ethnic makeup of the population much from what is was for the last 200-500-1000 years.
I’d also say that language, religion, and culture, while tied to ethnicity, have more to do with making someone “-ish” than anything else. As an interesting thought experiment, imagine that suddenly the entire population of, idk, Poland descended on Ireland and took the place over. Would they be the new Irish, or would it now be Little Poland? Is it the land, the people, the culture, or a combination of all three that makes someone an “-ish” of one form or another? After all, I’ve known several British people who actually get upset at any American who calls himself “Irish” since they don’t live there.
Anyways this is just me rambling, my only real point is that sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason, and forming a mental picture of an Irishman as “white” isn’t intrinsically wrong or racist as that is what most Irishmen are, and you’d have to be forgiven for assuming a Turk speaking Turkish is a Turk and not a German. And like I said, Americans tend to obsess about these things since aside from the Native Americans, there is no real “American” ethnicity and people like to be able to put others in neat little boxes to save mental energy. At the end of the day we are all equal under God.
I am no anthropologist, nor did I stay at a holiday inn last night, but I’d imagine that the vast majority of Irish people share a similar ancestry to other Northern European countries and are some mix of Celtic and Germanic in ancestry.
Such things of course can and do change with influxes of different groups of people. I could be wrong but I don’t think Ireland has had such a massive influx of immigration recently to change the ethnic makeup of the population much from what is was for the last 200-500-1000 years.
I’d also say that language, religion, and culture, while tied to ethnicity, have more to do with making someone “-ish” than anything else. As an interesting thought experiment, imagine that suddenly the entire population of, idk, Poland descended on Ireland and took the place over. Would they be the new Irish, or would it now be Little Poland? Is it the land, the people, the culture, or a combination of all three that makes someone an “-ish” of one form or another? After all, I’ve known several British people who actually get upset at any American who calls himself “Irish” since they don’t live there.
Anyways this is just me rambling, my only real point is that sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason, and forming a mental picture of an Irishman as “white” isn’t intrinsically wrong or racist as that is what most Irishmen are, and you’d have to be forgiven for assuming a Turk speaking Turkish is a Turk and not a German. And like I said, Americans tend to obsess about these things since aside from the Native Americans, there is no real “American” ethnicity and people like to be able to put others in neat little boxes to save mental energy. At the end of the day we are all equal under God.
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Ridgerunner
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Wonder how many of those Polish immigrants are from Galicia, which was a Celtic area long ago. Culturally, there are undoubtedly some differences, but they might not be all that great. Genetically, one would expect significant similarities.
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Ridgerunner
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Gee. Maybe they need to come to America instead. Poles are entirely welcome here, particularly in those areas where there a lot of people of Polish descent. LOTS of them in the U.S. Boze cos Polske!
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Athanasiy
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I wonder what the nationalists have to do with people who have darker skin and different faith?
For example it is known that Turkish, Arabic capital actively goes to Poland, goes to Ukraine.
The Turks, for example, even in small towns buy hotels, restaurants, cafes. Sometimes they buy even a lot of real estate.
Sometimes at low wages of local people the business can be quite profitable, sometimes invests are made simply as a cover for other more profitable activities.
and if you compare how many persons of the Jewish nationality, i mean the local once even the same religion with you , invest in small, medium and large businesses, I think very sensitive nationalists will be just in shock.
For example it is known that Turkish, Arabic capital actively goes to Poland, goes to Ukraine.
The Turks, for example, even in small towns buy hotels, restaurants, cafes. Sometimes they buy even a lot of real estate.
Sometimes at low wages of local people the business can be quite profitable, sometimes invests are made simply as a cover for other more profitable activities.
and if you compare how many persons of the Jewish nationality, i mean the local once even the same religion with you , invest in small, medium and large businesses, I think very sensitive nationalists will be just in shock.
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Athanasiy
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I wonder what the nationalists have to do with people who have darker skin and different faith?
For example it is known и Turkish, Arabic capital actively goes to Poland, goes to Ukraine.
The Turks, for example, even in small towns buy hotels, restaurants, cafes. Sometimes they buy even a lot of real estate.
Sometimes at low wages of local people the business can be quite profitable, sometimes invests are made simply as a cover for other more profitable activities.
and if you compare how many persons of the Jewish nationality, i mean the local once even the same religion with you , invest in small, medium and large businesses, I think very sensitive nationalists will be just in shock.
For example it is known и Turkish, Arabic capital actively goes to Poland, goes to Ukraine.
The Turks, for example, even in small towns buy hotels, restaurants, cafes. Sometimes they buy even a lot of real estate.
Sometimes at low wages of local people the business can be quite profitable, sometimes invests are made simply as a cover for other more profitable activities.
and if you compare how many persons of the Jewish nationality, i mean the local once even the same religion with you , invest in small, medium and large businesses, I think very sensitive nationalists will be just in shock.
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Annie
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I don’t think it’s always just a matter of skin color or whatever. In parts of the US, it is becoming difficult to get some types of jobs without knowing the language of the incoming people. Ads saying “bilingual” are not uncommon and of course the bilingual people will mostly be those who were raised with the incoming language and educated in the US. Thus we see in many businesses dealing with the public only the now-adult children of immigrants.
This has the biggest effect on the poor and working class already in the area.
This has the biggest effect on the poor and working class already in the area.
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Athanasiy
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“In fact all senior positions of the state structures occupied by agents of Israel and the Kremlin.
Ukrainian citizens are constantly been robbed and destroyed. Тhe Ukrainians are living in the Jewish occupation, but for some people it creates the illusion that the state with its resources is Ukrainian, and is supervised by Ukrainians.”
These are the words of respectfull in Ukraine personality, who doesn’t even belongs to extreme nationalists, former political prisoner, and venerable politician- Stepan Khmara.
Ukrainian citizens are constantly been robbed and destroyed. Тhe Ukrainians are living in the Jewish occupation, but for some people it creates the illusion that the state with its resources is Ukrainian, and is supervised by Ukrainians.”
These are the words of respectfull in Ukraine personality, who doesn’t even belongs to extreme nationalists, former political prisoner, and venerable politician- Stepan Khmara.
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FirstFiveEighth
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Yeah, and in the US it is the conniving Catholics plotting the subversive takeover of the government. For example, at one job I had, I got in my work truck one day and somebody had left a pamphlet detailing all the Catholics in positions of power in the federal government, clearly colluding to subvert the will of the people. This was when Sotomayor was added to the court, bringing the total number of Catholic justices at the time to 6 of 9. Its too bad someone caught onto us, we were almost there… 
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Athanasiy
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One thing is admirable in Poland , is that abortion in Poland is illegal.
In Ukraine ,since the satanic virus, the bolsheviks rule, millions of young Ukrainians kicked out of its mother’s womb to the garbage dump, as in the Soviet era and in the era of economic crisis of the 90s, and now, these killings continue, and it has become the norm. The satanic virus , after several mass executions of millions of people by wars and famines, destroys the nation’s by abortions.
It is the power of the Soviets gave the world an example for abortive civilization, “where people breathe so freely”
Especially in Eastern Ukraine, it has become the norm among this generation of youth, it is like pulling the teeth.
A new type of human which have so long worked for the Bolsheviks, is now reflected in the next generations.
I think that after migration of people from those Eastern regions to Western Ukraine, its not in a good way will affect the spirituality of Galicia, and the Carpathian region. The importance of theocratic ideas in the legislative public institutions still have a place in the heads of some solitary Christian thinkers,public figures in the Western regions of Ukraine, but on the East of the country the genetic and spiritual substratum infected by the Bolshevik re-education for the whole generations.
Unfortunately, in Ukraine is not present and never will be the religious consolidation of society like it is in Poland.
In Ukraine ,since the satanic virus, the bolsheviks rule, millions of young Ukrainians kicked out of its mother’s womb to the garbage dump, as in the Soviet era and in the era of economic crisis of the 90s, and now, these killings continue, and it has become the norm. The satanic virus , after several mass executions of millions of people by wars and famines, destroys the nation’s by abortions.
It is the power of the Soviets gave the world an example for abortive civilization, “where people breathe so freely”
Especially in Eastern Ukraine, it has become the norm among this generation of youth, it is like pulling the teeth.
A new type of human which have so long worked for the Bolsheviks, is now reflected in the next generations.
I think that after migration of people from those Eastern regions to Western Ukraine, its not in a good way will affect the spirituality of Galicia, and the Carpathian region. The importance of theocratic ideas in the legislative public institutions still have a place in the heads of some solitary Christian thinkers,public figures in the Western regions of Ukraine, but on the East of the country the genetic and spiritual substratum infected by the Bolshevik re-education for the whole generations.
Unfortunately, in Ukraine is not present and never will be the religious consolidation of society like it is in Poland.
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niceatheist
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This is a pretty old canard in certain Protestant circles. Conspiracy theories involving Papist take overs have existed since Edward VI’s time. Of course, way back in ye olde Tudor times, there was actually something to those conspiracies, and the Gunpowder Plot did more to harm English-speaking Catholics than any other act in English history, because it made the paranoid rants of the anti-Catholic types come to life. So the makers of these paranoid pamphlets are part of a centuries’ old conspiracy theory about Catholics plotting the takeover of the English speaking world.Yeah, and in the US it is the conniving Catholics plotting the subversive takeover of the government. For example, at one job I had, I got in my work truck one day and somebody had left a pamphlet detailing all the Catholics in positions of power in the federal government, clearly colluding to subvert the will of the people. This was when Sotomayor was added to the court, bringing the total number of Catholic justices at the time to 6 of 9. Its too bad someone caught onto us, we were almost there…
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Athanasiy
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Arik, the reality is often cruel to the ordinary citizen.
The financial webs which are operated from Tel-Aviv,and gansters by nature have in their pockets the governments of many East European countries.
People often believe that a new political force is pro- people, but in reality the opposition is just a next Chabad invest, which does not care about people and their social and economic needs.
Therefore the worries of such honorable public figures like Stepan Khmara are not unfounded.
The financial webs which are operated from Tel-Aviv,and gansters by nature have in their pockets the governments of many East European countries.
People often believe that a new political force is pro- people, but in reality the opposition is just a next Chabad invest, which does not care about people and their social and economic needs.
Therefore the worries of such honorable public figures like Stepan Khmara are not unfounded.
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Athanasiy
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Look, Arika, we have the anniversary of Maidan , the revolution.
There blood was shed of the golden youth there, the golden youth of the school age, and then there were the coffins, tens of thousands of coffins.
It looks like in Ukraine there was again(and again) implemented the formula of Leon Trotsky (Bronstein), and this formula actually was in practice at all revolutions of XX – XXI centuries, starting from the historical context and the World Wars and up until now: -“to raise the peoples in the national liberation struggle, to use them to undermine the government, to wrest the power, and afterwards eventually -to suppress the unarmed people.”
Also, in fact, when there is the war its very convenient to rob the people, also we are witnessing the cutting the social benefits.
And for a commoner warrior who believed in European values, in a sovereign, prosperous and independent Ukraine, and who afterwards realizes that he can’t find the money for medical treatment, and even can’t provide his wife and children back home, due to the fact that to him a few months wages are not paid, against the background of those sects that have the country for their own pockets , it’s all very painful, emotionally painful.
There blood was shed of the golden youth there, the golden youth of the school age, and then there were the coffins, tens of thousands of coffins.
It looks like in Ukraine there was again(and again) implemented the formula of Leon Trotsky (Bronstein), and this formula actually was in practice at all revolutions of XX – XXI centuries, starting from the historical context and the World Wars and up until now: -“to raise the peoples in the national liberation struggle, to use them to undermine the government, to wrest the power, and afterwards eventually -to suppress the unarmed people.”
Also, in fact, when there is the war its very convenient to rob the people, also we are witnessing the cutting the social benefits.
And for a commoner warrior who believed in European values, in a sovereign, prosperous and independent Ukraine, and who afterwards realizes that he can’t find the money for medical treatment, and even can’t provide his wife and children back home, due to the fact that to him a few months wages are not paid, against the background of those sects that have the country for their own pockets , it’s all very painful, emotionally painful.
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Athanasiy
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No, why? You know- Jharek, Arik, Eric, it’s all varieties of one name.
Arika(by this sound close people call by the name their friend Arik)
Arika(by this sound close people call by the name their friend Arik)
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