'White Europe': 60,000 nationalists march on Poland's independence day

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The nazis are currently working hard to redirect the blame for the atrocities they committed during WWII. Even the former gestapo and SS are claiming that they had little knowledge or that they were actually the victims. That are plenty of historians who are happily rewriting history, claiming German innocence.
Here is a little reminder.

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www.spiegel.de

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www.theguardian.com

…before it is all whitewashed.
 
This is Anne Appelbaum’s private war with the current Polish government. It is waged to get her husband Radek Sikorski back in power in Poland.
 
Not to mention Salazar’s Portugal, or Pinochet’s Chile, or any number of other majority Catholic nations with brutal dictatorships.
 
Opinions that are at odds with other historians’ opinions. The first one seems extremely speculative, simply based on “…why aren’t they now surprised when they hear of it?..” Why would they be? It has been 70 years that they’ve been hearing about it.

And the second is a speculation based on “…they knew the Jews were being persecuted in Germany, therefore they knew about Auschwitz too…”

And what “current Nazis” are you talking about?
 
There’s been over 300 fake “hate” crimes similar to this in North America in the past 15 months.
 
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To be fair, if you are American you know that many Americans refer to their ancestors’ place of origin as an identifying feature. In fact, census data, medical forms, applications, and loads of other paperwork explicitly identifies people as such, at least for minority groups. “I’m Irish-American, I’m Italian-American, I’m Polish-American, I’m German-American, My family is Scots-Irish, I’m African American, I’m Hispanic, I’m not Hispanic I’m Puerto Rican, I’m Chinese-American, I’m Japanese-American, I’m Korean-American, I’m 1/4 Cherokee”, etc etc. Americans are generally very proud of their cultural and ethnic heritage despite all being “Americans”, and they will tell you so many times without prompt. There are good reasons for these distinctions in some instances, and others it is just a fun fact. Funnily enough groups such as Irish and Italians were not considered “white” until relatively recently. And neither, I gather, were Eastern Europeans considered “white” when they began mass-migrating to the UK.

Regardless, I think ya’ll are talking past each other. Philosopher6 is very clearly talking about ethnicity, and he would be correct to say that there really is such a thing as being ethnically Irish, English, Scottish, Polish, etc. I don’t know why this would be controversial? Ya’ll are also correct in that you don’t have to be ethnically Irish, English, Scottish, Polish, etc to hold that nationality or citizenship. Don’t know why thats controversial either.
 
By family origin, I’m half Irish. However, DNA testing shows that a portion of that and considerably more is both British and Scandinavian. Given the influx of Scandinavians long ago and the Brits less long ago, along with the fact that I have a Norman-Irish name, ought to have made that obvious to me a long time ago. In a way it was. A family tradition says that our family originally came from France. No doubt that’s true in a way, since my name is Norman, derived ultimately from Danish.

And so, I don’t know that anyone is “pure” Irish when it comes to DNA tracing. Also, I am a believer in “cultural inheritance”. We don’t inherit ways of acting and thinking genetically, but ways of looking at things do get passed down generation after generation. For all I know, my “Irish” ancestors might have had more Scandinavian ways than what we think of as “Irish” ways. They were considered “Irish” by their Irish-descended contemporaries, but their ways differed substantially from the others’.
 
I’m not getting involved in this conversation, but I never knew that Thin Lizzy were from Ireland.
 
I don’t doubt that. Half my Irish ancestors came from County Mayo, and the other half from County Leix (or Louth or whatever the correct spelling is…the old Queen’s County).

Anyway, the ones from County Leix were very different from those from County Mayo. The latter were a lot more like what people think the “quintessential Irish” are. The former couldn’t speak Gaelic, either, but the latter spoke it better than they did English, and used it in ordinary conversation among themselves.
 
Anti-Semitic attitudes and neo-nazis are more of a problem in Europe than in America. That’s why in America so many people have to make things up and file false police reports (a crime, BTW) in order to fake victimhood.
 
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Anti-Semitic attitudes and neo-nazis are more of a problem in Europe than in America. That’s why in America so many people have to make things up and file false police reports (a crime, BTW) in order to fake victimhood.
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So just to be clear, you have the actual ratio of false to true statistics, right? Just talking about false reports in a vacuum is literally meaningless.
 
Phil was a proud Irishman, and his love of his country informed a lot of his music. And yes, thin Lizzy is the finest rock act the Emerald Isle ever produced.
 
I pulled this up for 2015 from the FBI’s website:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2015-hate-crime-statistics-released
There were 5,818 single-bias incidents involving 7,121 victims. Of those victims, 59.2 percent were targeted because of a race/ethnicity/ancestry bias; 19.7 percent because of a religious bias; 17.7 percent because of a sexual orientation bias; 1.7 percent because of a gender identity bias; 1.2 percent because of a disability bias; and 0.4 percent because of a gender bias.
There were an additional 32 multiple-bias incidents that involved another 52 victims.
Of the 4,482 hate crime offenses classified as crimes against persons, intimidation accounted for 41.3 percent of those offenses, while 37.8 percent involved simple assault and 19.7 percent involved aggravated assault.
There were 2,338 hate crime offenses classified as crimes against property, and the majority of those (72.6 percent) were acts of destruction/damage/vandalism.
During 2015, most reported hate crime incidents (31.5 percent) happened in or near residences or homes.
Of the 5,493 known offenders, 48.4 percent were white, 24.3 percent were black or African-American, and race was unknown for 16.2 percent of the offenders. The rest were of various other races.
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I’m having a hard time finding any definite source for hoax hate crime counts, though the wikipedia article on hoax hate crimes suggests “beween 1987 and 1996 in the United States, Russell-Brown documented 67 racial hoax cases” Racial hoax - Wikipedia

Now that’s just racial hoaxes but it is over a ten year period. But let’s imagine if there 67 hate crimes hoaxes in 2015 (this is clearly an inflation), that would mean a false reporting rate of 1.2%. The real number of hoax hate crimes for that year was most certainly much lower, making the claim of some epidemic of hoax hate crimes nothing more than fabrication.
 
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So just to be clear, you have the actual ratio of false to true statistics, right? Just talking about false reports in a vacuum is literally meaningless.
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http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/

@dvdjs

One false report is one too many.

But I know you both have an agenda to try and prop up the left. The technique you are trying here is to minimize these cases as no big deal to blunt their falsehoods.

It must be nice to imagine a world so devoid of logic based on attempted red herring fallacies.
 
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Now that’s just racial hoaxes but it is over a ten year period. But let’s imagine if there 67 hate crimes hoaxes in 2015 (this is clearly an inflation),
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The recent inflation due to the nonsensical “social justice” and desire to throw oneself a victimhood pity part is the problem.

You’re just playing the same game with past statistics that the American left always does in order to dilute something that damages their narrative.
 
SuperLuigi said:
One false report is one too many.

But I know you both have an agenda to try and prop up the left. The technique you are trying here is to minimize these cases as no big deal to blunt their falsehoods.

It must be nice to imagine a world so devoid of logic based on attempted red herring fallacies.
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Not sure why you directed this to me; have you lost track fo the thread?
 
It pertains directly to what you have said on here.

So I’m not the one with the tracking problem…
 
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