'White Europe': 60,000 nationalists march on Poland's independence day

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Since the thread has strayed from white Europeans/nationalists to a discussion of who is or isn’t Irish, I will add my two cents worth, taught to me most likely before I was born.

There are only two types of people in the world, those who are Irish and those who want to be Irish.
 
The thread is now wandering.

Also, the media is trying to paint this as some kind of massive movement of White Supremacy and it looks like they’re trying to get in their dig at Donald Trump. I doubt everyone at that march was saying those things or agrees with it.

The same thing happens (since everyone including the author of the article wants to spin it with an American left-right perspective) at left-wing rallies.
 
That explains it all. And Socialism is contrary to Catholic dogma.
 
Sorry to see you leave the thread, because this conversation about being Irish really illuminates a lot for me.

First, in Ireland, people who were born and raised there, or immigrated and made the effort to fit in, are all considered Irish. However, here in the States, people who consider themselves Irish (altho perhaps never having stepped foot there) are definitely of white-Irish descent.

IOW, many in the States view “being Irish” differently than those in Ireland do.

This also shows a difference between the melting pot (the old US ideal wrt immigrants) and the salad bowl, the more recent view. The Irish in Ireland accept as Irish those who adopt their culture while in the US there is a encouragement to remain one’s “ethnicity.”

Interesting all around.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
I’m a bit disturbed by the tendency to blame Trump for things that have been going on in US society since well before he even announced his candidacy. The Chief Executive has very little to do with whether some Southern state decides to remove a state-owned statue of Robert E. Lee that they have been waffling around about removing for years.
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Never the less, when the President of the United States appears to be giving aid and comfort to white nationalists, that’s a problem. It means, at the very least, that he doesn’t really understand these historical problems, which is almost worse in a way than intentional antagonism.
 
Thuggery, hooliganism, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, skinheads, etc. have been active in Eastern Europe for ages. There’s a long and deep history of anti-Semitism, racial bigotry, and anti-gay sentiment throughout E. Europe. It’s nothing new. Regrettably , many of them carry it to the U.S. when they immigrate.

As a person whose grandparents immigrated from Poland, I find demonstrations like this one to be deeply shameful. I have no tolerance for people who espouse racist, ethnic, religious bigotry and nationalism. You who are those people are not my people. You are not my brother or sister in Christ.

Maybe God, in his infinite mercy can accept you. I cannot. You are not a person I ever want to cross paths with because I’ll have to go to Confession afterward.

At the same time, Yad Vashem recognizes more Poles than any other nationality as Righteous Among the Nations.
 
We all learned on Day 1 that Trump, unlike most politicians, is really bad at “keeping up appearances” in all situations. I am not however convinced he is a racist and it seems a lot of criticism comes from him just not saying much of anything about Richard Spencer and David Duke etc, not actively supporting them. Frankly I’m disinclined to give the hate groups any public attention at all, positive or negative, because that is what they seek, attention, like babies acting out.

Even if I am off base and Trump should perhaps be more vehemently opposing these groups, it went a bit far when some media started pointing to his father’s purported Klan activities back in the 30s or whenever that was, decades ago. My own grandfather was in the Klan at that time and while I don’t consider that a positive thing, I had absolutely nothing to do with it and it would be unfair to blame me for it.
 
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“How the Irish became White” is on my list of books to read.
 
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They are in the fight of their lives over there for their way of life and culture. Notice the spin on the “white nationalists” etc. I would like to see the proof of those statements. Even the recent Rosay March on lepanto was deemed racist and hateful.
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Poland has, what, about 40 million people? Of that 40 million, some 60,000 marched. Of that 60,000 “some” chanted what we, in America, consider racist. Might have simply been an expression of their desire to prevent the muslim influx that Germany is trying to force on them. “White” to them might simply mean “not Middle EAstern Muslim refugees”.

And just as an aside, there isn’t a whole lot of difference, biologically or linguistically, among western Europeans, particularly northwest Europeans (Finns excepted). Most would agree that most northwest Europeans are a mixture of descendants from Celtic and Germanic tribes which were closely related in antiquity. And in any event, all but the Finns and Magyars speak Indo-European languages, some very closely related.

So, saying Ireland is “mixed” is a bit of an overstatement. It’s not very mixed if one considers only the Celtic and Germanic origins shared by virtually all of them.
 
When radicals kill innocent civilians and shout “Allah Akbar”, it doesn’t actually seem all that complicated.
 
It’s nice of the white nationalists in this thread to finally recognize Slavic people as white. I also find it interesting that so many Slavic people now consider themselves to be white. They never would have identified that way through most of the 20th century.

The rise of white nationalism in Eastern Europe is a bit of a worry. Anti-Semitism is also becoming more prominent. I know fears of George Soros in Eastern Europe are heavily intertwined with fears of the Jews.
 
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Again with the yellow peril nonsense.

Tell me where East Asians were publicly bragging in European streets about making Shinto or Buddhism a form of government throughout Europe.
 
I’m not interested in “beating” anyone. And how nice of you to mention ONLY groups that have a special place in the hearts of First World leftists. :roll_eyes:

Just remember that the next time you feel like crying about white identity politics.

Furthermore, if you read my comments carefully (I have over 21K posts on here), I’ve actually never criticized Islam itself, only reactions to it.

I’ve also cited classic liberal and left-wing atheists on this site more than I have the Bible.

Some Muslims are having issues with this. Others seem pretty okay with European culture.

The problem is it doesn’t take everyone to be a problem, especially in Europe.

I think more than anything, Europeans need to start taking more confidence in their own culture and past. There is a competition for ideas going on, and confidence and surety wins.
 
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