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You sound like the Psalmist!If God can annihilate a person without ceasing to love them, then why not annihilate His enemies now? Why wait and allow them to inflict all this harm? Their existence is not good in itself, and all they do is evil, so why are they here?
LORD, avenging God, avenging God, shine forth!
Rise up, judge of the earth; give the proud what they deserve.
How long, LORD, shall the wicked, how long shall the wicked glory?
How long will they mouth haughty speeches, go on boasting, all these evildoers?
They crush your people, LORD, torment your very own.
They kill the widow and alien; the fatherless they murder.
They say, “The LORD does not see; the God of Jacob takes no notice.”
Understand, you stupid people! You fools, when will you be wise?
Does the one who shaped the ear not hear? The one who formed the eye not see?
Does the one who guides nations not rebuke? The one who teaches humans not have knowledge?
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No, the LORD is my secure height, my God, the rock where I find refuge,
Who will turn back their evil upon them and destroy them for their wickedness.
Surely the LORD our God will destroy them!
- Psalm 94
People makes themselves wicked through their own choice. That doesn’t mean it is wicked for God to create them.But if you lose the first, then it becomes that God creates evil people whose existence is not good…[CUT]…because good ends cannot justify evil means - God has done evil. Which is not sensical.
No one loves the people who are annihilated. They have made themselves unlovable.Further, how would it be possible not to miss someone who you love(d)? Heaven is a place of perfect happiness, to be sure, but that does not imply that we magically lose the ability to recognize that someone who we love has fallen.
I’m not sure we know from reason or the Torah these statements about God’s essence.And last, if God is existence, and God is love, and God is simple, then fundamentally existence and love, in God, are the same. To be gifted existence by God would then be identical to being gifted love by God.
This is an explicit contradiction. “Best” is the superlative of which there can be no better.Because the best could have been much, much better.
This universe contains massive amounts of destruction that leads to new creation. God can use wicked men to help “create” good ones. We are here to learn, and the wicked teach us many of our lessons.No, but rather to perfect it. There is a resurrection of the dead…[CUT]…He saw that it was good, not merely expedient.
None of us is necessary. Our existence is a completely gratuitous gift from God to us. He has the right to remove that gift if we reject it.Tools for what purpose, exactly? To serve God and His creation, you say, but God does not need us…[CUT]…or not bother making a Garden in the first place.
Man is created in the image of God; this is what makes him a person. Our ability to reason is the “image” of God’s knowledge.The difference between a created person and a non-person (be it a dog or a couch) is that a person was created for his own sake and a non-person is not. Otherwise, a man is no more than a rather squishy rock that makes weird noises.
This also destroys your objection Hell, even with the worst understanding of it possible. If we are so disposable, merely tools, what harm is it to throw a tool in an unregarded corner for eternity? I mean, it might make unfortunate noises, but so long as you aren’t listening, who cares?
Hell is not merely throwing out useless tools, that would be annihilation. Hell is the active, miraculous existence of the tools in a state of constant destruction.
Of course I don’t know, but I doubt it. Endless torment is not the “best outcome” in any estimation!First, how could you possibly know? Second, the parallels between your view and the view of hell that you try to describe in such words as to make it sound like the creation of an evil God are pretty near exact - the same objections you make carry over exactly. The orthodox Christian could say more or less the same thing: Praise God for giving us the chance to live, and praise God for doing the best for even the worst of us!
The difference is that the Christian view paints a picture of a God who loves us all unconditionally, and your view paints a picture of a God who loves us so long as we are useful. Which isn’t really love.
God loves us unconditionally, but if we disobey him and hate him, he will let us die (or actually kill us, if you prefer). Spend some time with the Prophets in the Old Testament.