Who is the anti-Christ?

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I hope this is not a serious forum.

i picked the monster author of those annoying little comics.

JACK THOMAS CHICK! :mad:
 
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The anti christ is each individual who belongs to the secular world and lives by its morals. You cant serve two masters,youll love one and hate the other. Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world. This world is controlled by satan. 😦
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GNosticism! Yet, I must say, Yes! THat is exactly who the antichrist is!!!
 
I’m sorry, I still don’t understand your position. The Passion of the Christ was the thing that really prompted me to finally convert to the Catholic Church. I know it may not be everybody’s cup of tea but to me, that movie was so spirit filled and inspired that I’m a little shocked that anyone would think it’s the anti-Christ.
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Pace:
I think I agree with the person above who asked whether this ‘anti-Christ’ (or spirit thereof - for our times) might come from the “media”. I thought since we are divided politically, seemingly irreconcilably, that this spirit of anti-Christ wouldn’t come from that direction; that it would have to go deeper than that, so to speak. That is to say, in short, that it would not come from words but from images , or ‘seeing’. Actually, from images combined with sound, etc. (i.e. movies specifically).

But the main reason I have for saying this is the movie Muholland Drive, and, to a lesser extent but in union with that movie, the film Dogville . Both of these films have to be seen and a comparison must be made between the two philosophies of art presented (i.e. between MD and Dogville on the one hand, and The Passion on the other).

There are two very different philosophies of life here, it seems to me.
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When I write this, 666 people have viewed this thread, coincidence? :eek:
 
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Starsweeper:
I’m sorry, I still don’t understand your position. The Passion of the Christ was the thing that really prompted me to finally convert to the Catholic Church. I know it may not be everybody’s cup of tea but to me, that movie was so spirit filled and inspired that I’m a little shocked that anyone would think it’s the anti-Christ.
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It seems whenever I talk about these subjects the thread gets shut down, so I never get the opportunity to make myself clear on that point.

Yes. I believe that The Passion can be useful to the Lord. But so can the devil himself. (In fact, maybe it could be said that the devil is nothing but useful to God?) Either way, I believe that you should give more credit to yourself (and God, of course). Maybe it was just you who was the “spirit filled and inspired” one?

If The Passion of the Christ is a starting point for many, that’s a good thing; but could it be that Mulholland Drive is the ultimate destination?

The two movies must be contrasted, because they both claim to be ‘The Lord’; one explicitly and the other implicitly (i.e. silently; the Jesus before Herod)
 
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Pace:
It seems whenever I talk about these subjects the thread gets shut down, so I never get the opportunity to make myself clear on that point.

Yes. I believe that The Passion can be useful to the Lord. But so can the devil himself. (In fact, maybe it could be said that the devil is nothing but useful to God?) Either way, I believe that you should give more credit to yourself (and God, of course). Maybe it was just you who was the “spirit filled and inspired” one?

If The Passion of the Christ is a starting point for many, that’s a good thing; but could it be that Mulholland Drive is the ultimate destination?

The two movies must be contrasted, because they both claim to be ‘The Lord’; one explicitly and the other implicitly (i.e. silently; the Jesus before Herod)
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huh? :confused:

A movie is a movie is a movie. The Passion never claimed to be the Lord. Don’t use sloppy english on such serious subject matter please. Dunno what mulholland drive is, but I cannot see a problem with a movie that sincerely depicted Christ’s sufferings. It was great art like an icon.

Make your beef explicit please and drop the references to “Mulholland drive” or whatever. Specifically state your objection and back it up with examples from the movie.

Anything that has us meditate on our Lord’s suffering and our Lord’s sacred Heart is good in so far as it prompts such devotion.

Boy, ya sure can’t please everybody all the time.
 
As for “The Passion of the Christ” movie, consider its fruits. Everyone has heard about the people who turned themselves in, etc. and a brief glimpse at trends in Hollywood has Christianity at least getting a nod which is far more than before.

But personally, I can tell you about scads of people, Evangelical friends among them, who used to belittle everything they knew about Catholicism to me and now seem to look with their eyes more wide open. One of them actually said to me - I will never look at Communion the same way again.

AntiChrist - nah - there has got to be some other reason you feel this way.
 
Hey Pace, how much money do you get advertising these movies?

I have heard from other members here that there have been many anti-Christ’s.
 
The evil-one is like a crack on the plumbers backside, rest assured, he will be outed.
 
Let’s just pray that we recognize “him” when “he” appears.
 
:eek: Nero, Mohammed, BRIGHAM YOUNG, Hitler, Stalin are the ones that come to my mind. Jack Chick is definitely a candidate, too. And I agree that the authors of the “Left Behind” series got that spirit in them, too. 😦 Those who claim religion, and obsess with end times, throwing around anti-Christ labels open themselves up to the possibility-- gotta look at the fruits of the spirit.
 
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A movie is a movie is a movie.
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I may have felt this way at one time. But after seeing the films of David Lynch and Lars von Trier (culminating in Mulholland Drive and Dogville and the upcoming Inland Empire and Manderlay) I no longer think that way. Those two movies must be confronted …by everyone.
The Passion never claimed to be the Lord.
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Is it possible to separate the two? Is it possible to put the Lord under a microscope? Or, if it were possible in the past, is it still possible in our times? I don’t know… It doesn’t seem as if it is.
Don’t use sloppy english on such serious subject matter please.
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This is the very thing I fear happened with The Passion: It has used sloppy emotionalism on a very serious subject (Jesus).
Make your beef explicit please and drop the references to “Mulholland drive” or whatever. Specifically state your objection and back it up with examples from the movie.
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My only point is that the two movies have to be contrasted with one another.
Anything that has us meditate on our Lord’s suffering and our Lord’s sacred Heart is good in so far as it prompts such devotion.
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This is another thing that I’m not sure about. Did God want us to focus on the passion of our Lord at this time in history? Aren’t we living in times that more reflect the first thirty years of Our Lord’s life; where lecherous indifference rules the day?
 
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lucia:
As for “The Passion of the Christ” movie, consider its fruits. Everyone has heard about the people who turned themselves in…
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I heard about the one man who turned himself in. Was that a good thing do you think?
… and a brief glimpse at trends in Hollywood has Christianity at least getting a nod which is far more than before.
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But what I’m saying is it’s not “far more than before”! God sent his servant David Lynch to Hollywood in 1973. He has been in the process of ‘incarnating’ God into the world of cinema ever since.
AntiChrist - nah - there has got to be some other reason you feel this way.
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The choice is between authenticity and inauthenticity; between a work of art that continues to grow in mystery, power and life with each viewing, and a work of art that may indeed imprison Our Lord within the confines of a ‘movie’ (i.e. an addiction; something that only works when it’s on; something that diminishes - even if just a little - with each viewing)
 
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lucia:
… and a brief glimpse at trends in Hollywood has Christianity at least getting a nod which is far more than before.
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Watching Mulholland Drive is like reading the entire Bible in one sitting (with the same consequent discovering and falling in love with God). As is the case with the Bible, God has exhausted (fully revealed) himself in this alternate ‘universe’ of cinema. He can say no more. Mel Gibson reportedly said about Mulholland Drive: “I hate movies I can’t understand.”

Mel Gibson then went on to make his movie. Did he imprison God in a movie we could “understand”?

There are two opposing philosophies at work here.
 
I was going to say someone else, but it wasn’t an option, so I chose chick.
 
Where is the option for Hillary Clinton? And to the person obsessed with Mulholland Drive…CHILL!!!
 
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Pace:
This is another thing that I’m not sure about. Did God want us to focus on the passion of our Lord at this time in history? Aren’t we living in times that more reflect the first thirty years of Our Lord’s life; where lecherous indifference rules the day?
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Ahhh! Ahhh! Love God with your whole heart! Dude. Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus is something we ALL should pray to have a greater share of. I don’t even pray my Rosary every day, but I should.

The best remedy I have for my own indifference is devotion to the Sacred Heart in my rosary prayers! (And I need to get back to it)
Contemplating my similarity to those roman soldiers is a really good caution for me.

BE SURE ABOUT IT!!! Read, research do what you need to, but figure out that devotion to the Heart of Christ is where your heart needs to be aimed like an arrow!

Its where I need to aim my heart.

Peace and God bless.
 
I would say none of the above… Nero was the probably the reference of the times, maybe Caligula rivaled him.

In modern times, Hilter, Stalin, Pol Pot and now Kim Il Sung comes pretty close as candidates.

The sad news is that the real anti-Christ probably hasn’t made his appearance yet. It will probably rival all of the despots already mentioned, and it will not be a very nice time to be alive and a practicing Catholic or a believer of any faith.

I’m hoping his time has already passed us by, certainly WWII with Hitler was horrific, and the reign of Nero and Caligula was pretty horrendous.

As someone else said I hope we recognize him early, not that it would spare us any of the grief. How would anyone prepare for that even IF they knew exactly who it was and when the anti-Christ would take over ?
 
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