Christian means the follower of Christ. Our Holy Mother Mary is not a follower of Christ. Mary is the Mother of all Christians (too bad some denied her completely). Together with Christ, Mary can be called the co-redeemer, or mediatrix. The first Christian must be the Apostles.
Let me clear up a couple of points… first; Mary was chosen by God before He came to her through the Holy Spirit. Second; When she visited her cousin Elizabeth … and her exclamation … Mary ponder these things in her heart, Third; Mary and Joseph were practicing Jews and … many of the early Christians were Jews that did not realize that they were Christians, Fourth; read the Gospel of John … not everything that happened was written down, some of this was passed down as tradition ( Tradition ) and is accepted by those that accept that God can work through us and not everything has to be written in Scripture or it can not be accepted. Please look at hese these ideas and ponder them in your heart as Mary did … doing this may help you to better understand God’s will in our lives.
God follows Himself? I am confused.
John the Baptist!
He was the first to know of the Christ and his meaning before anyone did!
“Son of God” is the same thing as “God.” When Jesus told the Jews that He was the Son of God, they were going to stone Him, and they began their plot to have Him crucified, because they knew that He was calling Himself God. Mary was part of that same culture - she, too, would have realized that “the Son of God” is actually God.
Yes, one could argue that given Jesus the Son followed God the Father by doing His Will. If you believe that Christianity is the truth and God created this as the means of salvation, God Himself would be the first Christian (because He was Christ) and would thus believe He is the Truth, the Way and the Light.
So simple the way you put it. A person only looks foolish if they deny this without acknowledging how easy it is to believe.“Son of God” is the same thing as “God.” When Jesus told the Jews that He was the Son of God, they were going to stone Him, and they began their plot to have Him crucified, because they knew that He was calling Himself God. Mary was part of that same culture - she, too, would have realized that “the Son of God” is actually God.
Sorry I disagree with you.
cant disagree with scripture
I wasn’t talking to you I was talking to 1believer1.
You are the son of your father, does that make you your father. If someone says that you are the son of your father will that person they are telling think you are your father. Give me clear evidence that Mary knew Jesus was God and not just the Son of God. I have asked and asked but I get she must have known, or do you think she is stupid and didn’t know. By Jesus saying that he was the Son of God the Jews said that was blasphemy.“Son of God” is the same thing as “God.” When Jesus told the Jews that He was the Son of God, they were going to stone Him, and they began their plot to have Him crucified, because they knew that He was calling Himself God. Mary was part of that same culture - she, too, would have realized that “the Son of God” is actually God.
yeah, if it’s a hijacking I think there is more than one terrorist .
It can still be fun tho. I think I got this who became aware that Jesus is God thing pinned down.It makes me to be my father’s heir, with all of the same rights, property, and privileges as my father. To do business with me is the same thing as to do business with my father; I have equal authority with him in our family business, as far as the employees and customers are concerned.
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Although you are your fathers heir with all the same rights, property and privileges as you father and to do business with you is the same as doing business with your father in you family business does not maky you your father. I makes you a part of the business but not your father, Its impossable to be your father, You may be like him but you will never be him.
Right. So then, why wouldn’t Mary have also understood Him to mean that He was God, when she knew that she was bearing the Son of God? Since she was part of the same culture and language as the priests and pharisees.
I wasn’t saying that they believed it; I was saying that Mary believed it.
Your statements contradict eachother.
Okay. Let’s break this down. The Pharisees understood Jesus to mean “I am God” when He said, “I am the Son of God.” Right? That’s why they crucified him.
Did I mention that Peter, Paul, the apostles, etc. were all of the culture? Yet they believed he was God therefore it is possible for many people to move beyond the culture and see Jesus as He really is. The NT itself is proof of this.
I didn’t make the claim of hijack, Xavierlives did in post 92yeah, if it’s a hijacking I think there is more than one terrorist .
47 And all that heard him were astonished at his wisdom and his answers.
48 And seeing him, they wondered.
The routine of life seems to have faded the awe and wonder experienced 12 years ago
**behold thy father and I have sought thee **
*This sentence means alot, because of how Jesus responds *
**How is it that you sought me? **
Jesus and His mother are not speaking about the same kind of seeking. To Jesus they have not sought him correctly or else they would have known what he say’s next
**did you not know, that I must be about my father’s business? **
*Jesus at 12 reveals His divinity to His parents. *
50 And* they* understood not the word that he spoke unto them.
I’m thinking that the Holy Spirit will remind them of the Incarnation and they will understand the Word spoken to them.
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The demonstration that Mary understand the Word spoken to her when Jesus was 12 and has found her Divine Son
John intoduces the wedding in connection with the marriage of the Lamb. The New heaven and the New earth. The Resurrection
John 2
1 And the third day, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee: and** the mother of Jesus was there.** ( speaks of Mary’s unique cooperation and Assumption)
**the mother of Jesus saith to him: They have no wine. **
Mary doesn’t even need to ask but to present to Jesus the good that is lacking. She asks in a manner and for a good that is only fitting coming from a woman who knows her son is divine. Providing the wine by ordianry means is not the sense as Jesus’ response shows.
4 And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come.
Again Jesus addresses her in union with Himself as the New Man because He is acknowledging the connections to their futures she is seeing and responding to in the symbols surrounding this event.
5 His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.
She is confident of who He is and that this wedding is the sign of the eternal wedding of heaven and earth that Her Son will make happen or else she couldn’t be confident about the miracle He is about to make happen that becomes for us now as it is to her then, eternities foreshadow.