Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values in mind?

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signit said:
The people who come illegally tend to be less likely than legal immigrants to assimilate, to have an education, to have job skills, to even be literate.
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Realize the same could be said for the poor. Another factor in my voting is Catholic social doctrine and the preferential option for the poor. We know have a president that represents the exact opposite of this doctrine.
 
Trump will be the first Impeached president to run. See, another first.
 
Trump will be the first president to be impeached under the most specious of allegations ,than he will win overwhelmingly in 20’
The D ems have jumped the shark on this one
 
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Not really, since, as I mentioned, this is one private individual doing the research so he had to limit himself or go crazy.

He is very clear about his methodology as well.
 
Maximus1 said:
Trump will be the first Impeached president to run. See, another first.
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If he’s impeached, remember it will only be because the Republican Party has decided to cut ties. He might run, but his chances of winning as the third candidate in a field that includes a Republican nominee wouldn’t be good.

Members of Congress cannot help but realize the perils of removing a sitting President for the first time in a societal situation in which the action would be seen not as a criminal proceeding but rather a regime change. Nixon’s case was hard enough on the nation, and the split for and against his removal did not fall along the exact lines of whether or not his regime as a whole was seen in a favorable light. That legislative decision of course had partisan aspects to it, but it more clearly had to do with supporting the idea that the rule of law applied to the President.

Well, now we are in a situation where a good number of the President’s supporters openly say they do not care if he lies or if he has broken the law. They certainly do not care if he is soliciting the help of foreign governments to win elections. A good number of his opponents have said they are willing to use any means to get rid of him. The opinion about whether or not he ought to be removed fall almost exactly into those two camps. In the current situation of our republic, even a legitimate vote in favor of removal for a just cause would still seem to too many as if it were actually a coup. Nothing could be worse for our democracy than giving a large fraction of the electorate the impression that their candidate had been removed by a coup. Whether true or false, count on the President to continue to sell it that way.

Based on the partial evidence that is out (including most heavily the things the President and people trying to “defend” him have said), I think the chances are very good that he has committed grave abuses of his office and tried to obstruct investigation of those abuses. These are not abuses of the kind I would be inclined to pass over–I think that if he has done what I think he has probably done, those actions meet the benchmark of seriousness called for in the Constitution. Even so, I strongly feel that the consequences of a removal by Congress instead of at the ballot box are simply too likely to be catastrophic to the health of our democracy. The patient meant to be ministered to would instead be crippled by the procedure.
 
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You point out a terrible problem of choices and action.
Let’s look at how we got here. He denied collusion for three years I the Russian attack that helped him and hurt her. He survived.
So what next.
He goes on TV saying the president need not follow the law and, personally solicits collusion. In a big scheme. He doubles Down.
So what do you know from his willingness to collide after going on TV AND hypnotizing the nation, no collusion, no collusion?
First time register to him, I can do this again. And that decision by it’s existence tells us HE IS NOT CONCERNED about all you said about dividing the nation.
Doing it personally tells us he don’t give a…
About every concern you have.
Now your choice is let him get reelected by cowering and capitulating to his freedom to be lawless, or let him know he is not. In case he gets reelected.
I don’t think you can tell someone like him, go ahead, we will sit quiet as a mouse.
Trump made this decision, we decided not to shrink I the face of it.
 
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Maximus1 said:
First time register to him, I can do this again. And that decision by it’s existence tells us HE IS NOT CONCERNED about all you said about dividing the nation.
Doing it personally tells us he don’t give a…
About every concern you have.
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I think Donald Trump is one of the worst things to happen to our democracy since…well, I don’t know when. Having said that, I think it is because he saw how to take advantage of weaknesses already in our body politic, based on experience he got while building a brand and making himself a cable TV career. He made those weaknesses and faults much worse, but he did not put any of them there himself and they were definitely not on their way to healing up without him. I think he greatly accelerated the inevitable, put it that way.

Nixon told David Frost in that famous interview exactly what Trump is saying-- “Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.” Donald Trump is not the first President to think he is above the law. It may even be that most Presidents have had an inflated view of what they have the actual authority to do, each in his own way.

I don’t think Bill Clinton would have been re-elected after what he did and I don’t think Donald Trump is going to be re-elected, either. It is possible, because I haven’t seen what inexplicable choice the Democrats are going to nominate, but a functional and reasonably suitable candidate would defeat him because he hasn’t delivered what he promised in the swing states.

I think that in spite of what he probably did, a prudent member of Congress would vote to reprimand but not remove. They ought to openly say that with only a matter of months before the next election, they have chosen to leave removal up to the voters. I think that giving a vote of confidence not to Trump but to the People would be the best thing by far for the republic. I think the voters could stand to hear something like that from Congress.
 
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And yet we conservatives were happy to say so about Clinton, yet make statements such as “Trump’s behavior is not that much different than most people’s”. The lack of consistency is quite notable.
 
tafan2 said:
And yet we conservatives were happy to say so about Clinton, yet make statements such as “Trump’s behavior is not that much different than most people’s”. The lack of consistency is quite notable.
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I actually think that Hillary Clinton’s obvious hypocrisy when it comes to protecting sexual predators is one of the things that cost her the election. She hooked her wagon to Bill Clinton’s, she defended the indefensible because it was committed by her husband and because allowing him to be exposed would harm her own political future, and in so doing she had no moral standing whatsoever to criticize Donald Trump.
 
One of the many factors. She was an exceedingly bad candidate when it came to political savvy.
 
tafan2 said:
One of the many factors. She was an exceedingly bad candidate when it came to political savvy.
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She had lots of problems, yes. Too many to go into here. I didn’t want her elected and I didn’t vote for Trump, but honestly he may have been the only one in the GOP field with the chutzpah to bluntly call her out. It may be that someone less willing to be unabashedly rude about enunciating her faults would not have beaten her. We will never know, I guess.

The widespread idea that there isn’t a Republican who could have beaten her in a national election speaks very poorly of the strength of the GOP. Oh, well, I wish we had a conservative party that wasn’t a party so interested in defending the extremely powerful from the extremely weak. I don’t see one of those taking the center stage in American politics any time soon, though.

To the original topic of the thread, that is why I don’t have my hopes up that there will be a candidate who is both at all likely to win and also someone I could vote for in good conscience. I don’t think that a candidate meeting what I consider to be the minimum qualifications could get through the political minefield required to win the Presidency.

Something along the way to winning a national nomination always seems to favor those willing to make a Faustian bargain. Oh, well. Our Lord never implied that those following the Way would ever attain political power by doing it.
 
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The Senate won’t convict. So the voters will have their say. And if he is reelected, at least they didn’t shrink from their job. Because guess what. With no more elections, his doing it a 3rd and 4th time is inevitable. Something has to slow him down.
His first Sec of State and Chief of staff said basically the same thing." His first idea is always the illegal one."
I think his choices are influenced by his earliest pastor. Norman Peale. His father and family were very much his followers.
The idea of never admitting anything about yourself negative. Well," I have nothing in my life to ask forgiveness for" is about as fully baught into Peale as it gets. It is alien to CATHOLOCISM, but very attractive
A faith of contemplation and both / and vs radical winner/ looser at everything.
Of course the KING and Duke in Tom Sawyer is the best representation. Here, a perpetual victim of unfairness who also always wins. The accusation about Peale always was, it resembled a cult. Sound familiar?
 
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pnewton said:
Doesn’t the fact that you found one crime of many in one of fifty states make you just a little suspicious of this statistic as anything to base an opinion on?
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Moreover, “he is only able to gather data from 30 of the state’s 100 counties”. with major gaps in the data over the time period examined.

Here is another beauty:
“It’s happening in every state—we just happen to be compiling the information. It’s a mess,” Johnson told The Epoch Times.
The article goes on to state that:
… Texas has almost three times the population of North Carolina, and California has almost four times, according to Census estimates.

If the monthly rate of reported child sexual offenses committed by illegal aliens in North Carolina is estimated to be 113 illegal aliens charged with around 503 child sexual crimes, that would put Texas at roughly 330 illegal aliens charged with 1,500 child sex crimes per month, and California at 450 illegal aliens charged with more than 2,000 crimes against children every month.
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This is remarkably unsound analysis.

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“Just from my observations, this specific crime of child rape, illegal aliens tend to commit child rapes at a rate of four to one, compared to citizens,” Johnson said.
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It is easy to imagine what the might mean by that. But given the limits of the actual observations and the strangeness of the analysis, a proper response is to look for a better source.
 
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On the other hand it was still a comparison to Trump.
She was the wife of an adulterer. Trump her opponent first had the Hollywood tape and 19 women come forward. " All liars" goi g to sure them. While getting Cohen and the Enquierer to quickly buy two women off so he could lie without fear.
He did lie. But first in a virtual symphony of fraud, brought the Clinton accusers to his wife’s debate. As if he was the righteous stone throwers who let loose on the Adulteress himself. " Hey, where did that rock come from?"
Over there, the guy who has no reason to ask God for forgiveness ever. Didntv we see him in the Jordan? No that was the other one.
 
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PetraG said:
I think Donald Trump is one of the worst things to happen to our democracy
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That would be a good thing if it were true except that we don’t have a democracy nor were we ever meant to.
 
RuthAnne said:
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PetraG:
I think Donald Trump is one of the worst things to happen to our democracy
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That would be a good thing if it were true except that we don’t have a democracy nor were we ever meant to.
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This word play is unnecessary. Our system of government is one of many forms that are called “democracies”. Read the definition in the dictionary for the general term, “democracy” and you will find:
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
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You probably are referring to a “direct democracy” in which everyone votes on every question. We have a representative democracy.
 
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