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Aquinas11
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“WE relied on the stupidity of the American Voter” - Jonathan Gruber (author of Obamacare)
Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values in mind?
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JoeShlabotnik
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On Fox News it is zero evidence.
In the real world, all of the actual testimony has made it very evident that Donald Trump solicited help (i.e., political dirt on straight arrow Joe Biden) from the Ukraine, before he would allow funds approved by Congress to go to that country for weapons to protect them from Vladimir Putin’s Russian Army.
In the real world, all of the actual testimony has made it very evident that Donald Trump solicited help (i.e., political dirt on straight arrow Joe Biden) from the Ukraine, before he would allow funds approved by Congress to go to that country for weapons to protect them from Vladimir Putin’s Russian Army.
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Aquinas11
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No the only testimony was Ambassador Sondland who said he made up that theory “based on my presumptions” which were based on nothing evidentiary. He even said when he talked to President he said “I want nothing (from Ukraine), no quid pro quo”, which he left out of his opening remarks.
Then after Ambassador testified, CNN front page said “Sonland ties Ukraine aid to Biden investigation” after which Ambassador was asked if that was his testimony and he said no since he has no evidence tying the aid to Biden investigation.
All other witnesses were all hearsay, gossip, rumor
There is nothing, zippo, nada. .
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dvdjs
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I am very clear on the items.
Your questions suggest that you are not.
If you answer the questions, it may be possible to help you have a clearer understanding.
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Aquinas11
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Yes this is a day when Democrats remind us how to “stay classy” and avoid “stooping”
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Aquinas11
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The “I was clear” defense is gone now, given its been tossed for President Trump
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dvdjs
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Huh? …
LeafByNiggle
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I totally agree.LeafByNiggle:
Yes this is a day when Democrats remind us how to “stay classy” and avoid “stooping”
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Ridgerunner
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The number was never really known. There were guesstimates. Present numbers are tallied by the GAO and are deemed reasonably reliable.
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Ridgerunner
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I recall Bill Clinton boasting how he had ended “welfare as we know it”.
Maybe Repubs have “demonized” the poor, but I haven’t seen it.
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DrawNearToGod
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He’s a brilliant guitarist.
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dvdjs
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He did, and brought about important reforms without demonizing the poor.
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Theo520
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I think Kasich is dead in the water. He sure sounded good but has failed to deliver on his talk
John Kasich exits stage left - Washington Examiner
Gov. John Kasich, R-Ohio, took office as a Tea Party hero, unafraid of the union bosses and welfare lobbyists who would fight his efforts to shrink Ohio's bloated government. He leaves as an honorary union member who was inducted to a hospital lobbying group’s Hall of Fame. Kasich beat incumbent...
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Theo520
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Congress was in the driving seat, but I give Clinton credit for jumping in the car.
LeafByNiggle
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A while ago you were quite sure that the data would show Obamacare did not increase coverage. Now it seems that such a conclusion of yours is only a guesstimate.LeafByNiggle:
The number was never really known. There were guesstimates. Present numbers are tallied by the GAO and are deemed reasonably reliable.
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Ridgerunner
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No. Simply an observation that when Obamacare was passed, there weren’t any real figures on it, so all estimates were guesses. It might still be that way except the GAO at least pretends to have done more than guess.
LeafByNiggle
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If I am not allowed to data from before Obamacare to prove more are covered, you have no data to use to prove more were not covered. Your claim would then be a guesstimate. But other than your bold claim that nothing is known about the numbers in 2010, you have presented no evidence that all such data is completely unreliable. I find numbers easily. Why don’t they know what you know? Just Google number of uninsured over time, you will find lots of sources. It is well known that Obamacare reduced the number of uninsured. You are probably dismissing the data for ideological reasons, not for some objective reason, but if that is not true, please cite your source that supports your claim.
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Maximus1
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That move eliminates the protection for pre-existing conditions per the Order Trump obtained via the courts. That move will result I exclusions for 1 in 5.
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Ridgerunner
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If the courts eliminated something in Obamacare, that means it was unlawful to start with. But perhaps you could give us the court citation(s) which you claim removes “protection” from people with pre-existing conditions.
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Maximus1
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The elimination took place months ago. The case is on appeal and a stay of execution is entered ( that’s why millions are not excluded as I write. )
It was a Texas case. This case might be consolidated on Appeal if SCOTUS deals with it.
As it turns out legislation preventing exclusions for pre-existing is Constitutional but the Texas court threw out all of Obamacare.
If sustained on appeal, 1 in 5 Americans will be subject to being tossed off coverage. Pregnancy is pre-existing. Giving us the most Dickensian health Care system in the Civilized world.( If we still qualify).
" WHEN I WAS SICK YOU CARED FOR ME."
It was a Texas case. This case might be consolidated on Appeal if SCOTUS deals with it.
As it turns out legislation preventing exclusions for pre-existing is Constitutional but the Texas court threw out all of Obamacare.
If sustained on appeal, 1 in 5 Americans will be subject to being tossed off coverage. Pregnancy is pre-existing. Giving us the most Dickensian health Care system in the Civilized world.( If we still qualify).
" WHEN I WAS SICK YOU CARED FOR ME."
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