Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values in mind?

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I agree that defining discrimination is important. It will never be exactly black and white, there needs to be a consensus reached.

A member of a different faith may think that Christians are hurting themselves by worshiping in their manner, does that give them the right not to serve the Christians in their business?

A good way to check for discrimination is to reverse the scenario and see if it still works. If it does not, then it should be questioned.
 
I believe it does give them the right. I think walking into a bakery run by Christians and asking for a same-sex wedding cake is like walking into a deli run by Jews and asking for a sandwich with pork on it.

I think the same response is warranted, “We don’t make those here.”
 
I know many Catholics who changed their opinion on Trump after watching this. He is demonized in media

 
Willing_Spirit said:
I believe it does give them the right. I think walking into a bakery run by Christians and asking for a same-sex wedding cake is like walking into a deli run by Jews and asking for a sandwich with pork on it.

I think the same response is warranted, “We don’t make those here.”
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The example you have provided is one of the best of come across, although I do see a few important distinctions that I will refrain from providing at the moment.

I would like to ask, is there any limit to religious liberty and if so, by what method is that limit established?
 
I think the only limit is when it comes to infringing on another’s life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. If I’m denied a pork sandwich at one deli, I am still alive and I am still free to pursue obtaining a pork sandwich at another deli or even learning how to make one for myself if nobody else will.
 
So would pursuit of happiness involving allowing someone to marry the love of their life?
 
I would say so, that’s why I don’t really put up a fight against those laws. I don’t see anyone fighting to outlaw pornography and strip clubs.
 
I’m not sure yet…

I do know that, as a Catholic, I can not vote for Donald Trump. As many of his words and actions do not represent Catholic values. For instance, he’s directing Attorney General Barr to begin using the death penalty again - which is forbidden for Catholics. Not to mention how vulgar he is or how often he lies.

It would be sad if we had another 4 years of Trump… A presidency where we can’t let our children listen to him speak for fear that they will pick up terrible habits.
 
I vote the same way in every election: write in Ron Paul, vote down all the tax levies, then go home and drink some scotch.

Only difference this time is that the scotch will be 25% more expensive due to tariffs…
 
The death penalty isn’t exactly forbidden for Catholics, although its use in the modern U.S. isn’t justified. I agree that Trump’s mannerisms are extremely disappointing, which is why I voted Darrell Castle the first time. Depending on who else is running this time though, i might vote for Trump.
 
Paragon468 said:
I vote the same way in every election: write in Ron Paul, vote down all the tax levies, then go home and drink some scotch.

Only difference this time is that the scotch will be 25% more expensive due to tariffs…
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The clear solution to this problem is to be a real patriot, save some money from paying tariffs, and switch to bourbon. 😜
 
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There are restrictions on religious liberty when they would violate another law.

For instance if a religion decided it was ok to marry 12 year olds, or that one could marry 14 wives, or that human or animal sacrifices are part of their religion.

All of those examples violate laws which have been made for the common good and therefore would not stand up to the religious liberties test.
 
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The death penalty isn’t exactly forbidden
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Well the recent development of Catholic teaching on the subject, made captial punishment inadmissible for Catholics… no Trump for this guy.

Very sad to see the news the Trump is reinstating the death penalty after so many years of the Church working to eliminate… and tough to accept given that it is against the Church’s teaching.
 
So, then it makes sense to derive laws from secular means, wouldn’t you say?
 
godisgood77 said:
For instance, he’s directing Attorney General Barr to begin using the death penalty again - which is forbidden for Catholics.
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Genesis 9:6 God tells Noah “whoever sheds the blood of man, by man his blood shall be shed”

I didn’t realize Catholics are now forbidden from abiding by Holy SCripture.
 
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Fauken said:
The clear solution to this problem is to be a real patriot, save some money from paying tariffs, and switch to bourbon. 😜
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I like both! Bourbon in the morning, scotch in the evening.

I considered mimicking the Boston Tea Party when the scotch tariffs were announced, but that would be one expensive protest.
 
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