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RuthAnne
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No. I’m referring to the Constitution which guarantees us a republican form of government.
Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values in mind?
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Peeps
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It sounds good, LeafByNiggle, but the problem is that there are plenty of women who are financially well-off and have supportive families–but they still choose to have an abortion.
The emphasis of the current Democratic Party is that “a woman should have the right to choose what to do with her body” (which of course, includes having sex without any type of contraception, or any natural planning that would enable her to at least expect that she won’t get pregnant).
Surely you recognize, though, that it’s NOT just “the woman’s body” but the tiny “body” of the unborn human being. So the Democratic Party is refusing to give any credence to the science of embryology that demonstrates that the “blob of cells” is a human being.
And they are lying to women by not informing them fully, and by hitting the roof and crying “foul!” when any legislation is presented that WOULD fully inform a woman about “her body.”
Lies, lies, lies. And women keep believing it because after all, “Trump is foul-mouthed,” or “Trump has had 3 wives.”
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…which is also a democracy. A democratic republic. This word-play is a deflection because the whole point of PetraG’s post is that Donald Trump is the worst thing to happen to our government. For the purposes of that statement, it really doesn’t matter if our government is referred to as a democracy (which it is, according to the common definition). Whatever it is, Trump is bad for it.
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It matters because when someone refers to our republic as a democracy it basically says they don’t understand much.
Lincoln was the worst thing that ever happened to our country. Trump has done quite a bit of good.
Lincoln was the worst thing that ever happened to our country. Trump has done quite a bit of good.
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Seriously???
This is not a common view.
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Maximus1
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Constitutional Republic with democratic principles
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No, the problem was that she was the defender of someone who was clearly abusing a positon of power, and she did defended him by attacking his victim. I’m not referring to the allegations from accusers like Paula Jones. I’m referring to what he absolutely is known to have done with a White House intern. That was totally unacceptable, and it does not matter whatsoever whether or not she was seeking to have an inappropriate relationship with him or not. We cannot have the President of the United States choosing to have sexual relationships with any of his staffers, let alone with an intern!
She basically defended the position that powerful men can have what they can get, that they are not in a position of trust. As for Trump, I don’t know who could watch him on cable TV or listen to the things he’d said on Howard Stern and come away with the idea that he has any respect for women. The guy who looked into a camera and said of a child under 15 years old: “I’m going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?” It’s preposterous! The man is utterly shameless. Utterly. Shameless. Yet because she defended Bill Clinton in such a hypocritical and obviously self-serving way, she could say nothing about that.
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No Lincon, no nation, so I don’t know how you figure.
I really do not have the slightest idea what good things you are talking about with regards to Trump. He doesn’t even understand his job or how government works. Those who don’t like his policies should be thankful he is so terrible at what he does! Someone who understood how the government works would have been much more effective. He just rushes in headlong and doesn’t do his homework, then blames the judiciary. No, it is because he doesn’t understand how to change things effectively. It is almost as if he wants to take credit for trying without caring whether he actually succeeds, because hey, if you can do a half-baked job and fail but then blame someone else for your failure, that is as good as a win! Don’t even get me started how he works against his own party in Congress. He is a trainwreck. Again: his opponents should be glad he’s so incompetent.
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No, I mean that he has done more to degrade our political process than any other single person I can think of. He undermines trust in government, he undermines trust in the integrity of the voting process, he undermines the freedom of the press–and openly wishes he could undermine it even more–he undermines respect for everyone in government who isn’t Himself. I don’t know if he is that clueless or just that cynical, but he has been a wrecking ball on the body politic. Whatever the opposite of a statesman is, that’s what Donald Trump has chosen to be. He’s like the anti-George Washington in just about every respect I can think of: integrity, competence, dignity, selflessness, concern for the future of the country. Name whatever becomes a statesman, excepting of course the external trappings, and he wants none of it.
“This election is not merely a verdict on the amazing progress we’ve made; it’s a verdict on the un-American conduct of those who try to undermine our great democracy and undermine you.”
–Donald Trump, June 19, 2019
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We need to get our heads out of the sand, pray fervently for God to bless our nation and guide us to choose the right candidate. The Republican refuse to fix the most pressing issues because they are afraid of upsetting people and the Democrats try to fix the most pressing issues with bad ideas (immoral ideas in some cases). Last election was the first time we had two candidates that its pretty easy to say, nobody liked. It was a perfect opportunity to try a third party. Other countries have more than two political parties that get major votes, why can’t we get that here? Of course the real bad thing about our elections is that almost half the people in this country don’t even vote and those that do vote a lot of them are ill-informed. The two major political parties pray on this ignorance and then they go blame other countries for feeding false stories about our candidates.
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“The only title in our democracy superior to that of President is the title of citizen.”
Louis Brandeis, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, 1937
“As citizens of this democracy, you are the rulers and the ruled, the lawgivers and the law-abiding, the beginning and the end.”
Adlai Stevenson (1956)
“The ultimate rulers of our democracy are not a President and senators and congressmen and government officials, but the voters of this country.”
Franklin Roosevelt
“Great confusion about the words democracy, aristocracy, monarchy…Democracy in my sense, where the whole power of the government in the people, whether exercised by themselves or by representatives, chosen by them either mediately or immediately and legally accountable to them…Consequence, the proposed government a representative democracy…Constitution revocable and alterable by the people. This representative democracy as far as is consistent with its genius has all the features of good government.”
Alexander Hamilton
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As a Catholic I believe President Trump reflects the teachings of Jesus Christ by recognizing the sanctity of life ,openly saying this fighting for The LittlecSisters of the poor.,defunding Planned Parenthood ,appointing pro life conservative SCOTUS’ his love for our Country and its citizens ,recognizing we are a Soverign Nation with laws and borders. Lowest unemployment in 50 years,etc.
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There is no excuse for him and nobody was more disappointed in his arrogance than me. His position was given to him by people and he had an obligation to those people especially.
She requires a little slack. That isn’t an excuse. It is a recognition that she was his wife, with a child.
We sometimes view her as a machine. She is a human being. She was scandalized. Dissappointed? And I have to imagine felt shamed by her partner on a worldwide scale.
How a wife reacts in her position is easier to identify when it is not you for certain. I cannot hold her strictly to an emotionless exemplary standard.
Out of anger? Lashing out at the person who invaded her family? It I not an excuse mind you. But it is understandable for anyone who has lived life.
Her world was attacked at it’s core. This is the mess that is adultery.
She requires a little slack. That isn’t an excuse. It is a recognition that she was his wife, with a child.
We sometimes view her as a machine. She is a human being. She was scandalized. Dissappointed? And I have to imagine felt shamed by her partner on a worldwide scale.
How a wife reacts in her position is easier to identify when it is not you for certain. I cannot hold her strictly to an emotionless exemplary standard.
Out of anger? Lashing out at the person who invaded her family? It I not an excuse mind you. But it is understandable for anyone who has lived life.
Her world was attacked at it’s core. This is the mess that is adultery.
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He never had to ask for forgiveness, because he never did anything he needed to be forgiven for. He cheated on all three wives. He lied about it. But most of he told us he need not ask for forgiveness. This is one example. I cannot say I ever heard of another human being believing such a thing.
How much of our faith do we have to abandon to focus on transactions?
How much of our faith do we have to abandon to focus on transactions?
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Thanks for the calibration.
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Slack because she refused to leave him or stood by him? Totally. Slack for attacking the people she knew quite well he had in fact victimized, when he and he alone was responsible for the abuse of his office? Uh-uh. Nope. This wasn’t a matter of flying off the handle. This was a deliberate and sustained decision to wrong someone else to save Bill Clinton’s political future.
I don’t give Trump slack for his habit of throwing other people under the bus when he fails or wants to make himself look better and I don’t give HRC slack for throwing other people under the bus to defend Bill. Nope. When people do that, they deserve forgiveness, yes. They deserve mercy, yes. That’s only what we hope for ourselves. For all I know, if I had Donald Trump’s dad or Hillary Clinton’s husband, I’d be worse than they. I can’t tell.
What they do not deserve and should not be given is a position of trust. That is what the Presidency is: a position of great trust. Neither Hillary Clinton nor Donald Trump deserve that position. Their violations of the public trust have been that serious.
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I believe he gives scandal to Christianity by telling outrageous lies and making gross and unnecessary insults on a habitual basis. As for unemployment, were you giving Obama credit when it was dropping in 2012 and 2013 and 2014 and…looks like the rate started dropping when Obama took office, not when Donald Trump took office:
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So why should Donald Trump get the credit? What did he do? Good grief, I don’t know about you, but I remember him taking credit for the economy before he even took office!
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I cannot get my jaw off of the floor…words fail.
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You are repeating the same talking points that have been argued for the past three years.Go back and re read the posts that have listed ad nauseum of all the positive actions taken by President Trump since his taking office.
In the end I suspect there is nothing he can do that will change your mind so I’m not even going to bother.
It’s as simple as looking around and seeing the irrefutable improvements overall for all people. Additionally,the Dems comments re has great economy has been glaringly absent from all the Dem debates thus far,that is very tellling.
In the end I suspect there is nothing he can do that will change your mind so I’m not even going to bother.
It’s as simple as looking around and seeing the irrefutable improvements overall for all people. Additionally,the Dems comments re has great economy has been glaringly absent from all the Dem debates thus far,that is very tellling.
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It is interesting to me that you tend to answer people’s criticism of Trump with general statements devoid of actual specifics and accuse them of repeating talking points heard from the media which you often refer to as the ‘lame stream media’. If you aren’t going to answer any criticism of Trump with specifics, why do you post at all?
Trump does deserve some credit for not screwing up the Obama economy, because I think some of the tax cuts have resulted in the economy staying hot. Now, I am against increasing the deficit when the economy is good, so I don’t think it is a plus for Trump, but I’m sure many other do. I also appreciate that Trump is giving me an opportunity to buy some farm land on the cheap.
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