Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values in mind?

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Yeah this is the talking point ,that Trump hasn’t screwed up the Obama economy. :roll_eyes:Whatever.Additionally I don’t appreciate your harassing me because I don’t engage in arguing with you.Please back off and don’t respond to my comments and I will do the same re yours.Ive answers you questions,so sorry they hav not satisfied you.Moving on!
 
Jeanne_S said:
Trump hasn’t screwed up the Obama economy
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That remains true in unemployment and job creation.
But the rise in the stock markets that we used to hear so much about has stalled out.
And we are in the mode of cutting interest rates to stave off a recession.
 
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Jeanne_S said:
Yeah this is the talking point ,that Trump hasn’t screwed up the Obama economy. :roll_eyes:
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Well, show us what he has going that was not going when he took office, then.
Jeanne_S said:
Moving on!
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It is noticeable that there is no answer to the problem that the President falsifies something nearly every day and not infrequently several times in the same day. You trust him? Why? What person in your life do you trust even though he makes stuff up out of whole cloth. You can say all day that he’s accomplished more than any other President, just as he does, but that doesn’t make it true.
Jeanne_S said:
You are repeating the same talking points that have been argued for the past three years
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Well, no, I’m not talking about falsehoods he told years ago. I’m talking about the stuff that he is still making up on a daily basis. This isn’t dredging something up from his distant past. This is what he’s doing on a consistent basis right now.
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It’s as simple as looking around and seeing the irrefutable improvements overall for all people.
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I don’t think that lowering the number of people with health insurance when he promised he would get beautiful coverage for everybody is an improvement. I don’t think adding to the deficit that he claimed he would eliminate entirely is an improvement–and he did say he would not only eliminate deficit spending, but the deficit itself.

Again, tell me you were as cheery about the direction of this graph when Obama was President as you were now that Trump is President:
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or this one:
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Please do not pretend that Donald Trump has turned the economy around. No, the economy turned around under his predecessor (not that I’d give Barack Obama all the credit, either…) When he took office, it kept going in the same direction. That isn’t to say that HRC might not have found a way to mess it up, but let’s not act like we have the Second Coming in the Oval Office. Just because he has said it literally since the day after he was elected does not make it true.
 
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I believe we are called to care for people regardless of where they are from.
 
tafan2 said:
I realize this is a late reply, sorry about that. First of all, I have absolutely no problem with those who decide to vote for Trump in order to obtain pro-life judges. Its a proxy vote for the Supreme Court, I get that.
But lets not equate the personal faults that most of us have to Trump’s many apparent personal faults. I know few people who are as narcissistic as he is. His behavior in the past with regards to women is not acceptable at all to most of us.
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Yes. I totally get that people voted for him on account of the Supreme Court. Members of the Supreme Court are there for decades. That does not mean Donald Trump is a great President.
 
Feanor2 said:
I believe we are called to care for people regardless of where they are from.
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Yes! think Our Lord said that in Matthew 25. He said, “I was a stranger…” and he was very serious about how strangers and prisoners and the hungry and so on were to be treated.

This is separating the sheep from the goats stuff. It does not get any more fundamental than that.

Well, that and we know who the Father of Lies is. Habitual and brazen lying is a sure sign that whatever else a person’s story is, they’re not a prophet. They may be an instrument of the permissive will of God, they may be a project of the Almighty, they might be made into a saint some day, but someone who habitually lies is not working on the power of the Holy Spirit. That is impossible. (The persistent absence of kindness and empathy ought to be another sign for anyone in doubt.)

Make what you want of this President, but do not make him into some kind of Second Coming. That, he most certainly cannot be.

Why his supporters do not object to his falsehoods, I cannot imagine. Why he is beyond criticism, I cannot imagine. People who take bishops to task won’t hear a word against the President. It never ceases to amaze me.
 
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TARRAT said:
Proof please.
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The President made a proclamation, effective today*, November 3, 2019, that immigration is to be suspended for those who cannot obtain health insurance within 30 days “unless the alien possesses the financial resources to pay for reasonably foreseeable medical costs.”
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...ially-burden-united-states-healthcare-system/

That pretty much defines exclusion of poor immigrants in favor of the rich.

He has also steadily slashed the ceiling for asylum claims from 110,000 annually when he took office to 18,000 in 2020, at a time when the number of persons displaced by violence and persecution is estimated to be at a 70 year high.

Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. Matt. 25:41-43

A nation where Christian voters vote so they can do the work of Christ, rather than doing their best to keep the world’s least ones as far outside their borders as possible?

“Proof, please.”

*[A federal judge granted a temporary restraining order that is currently putting the order on hold:
Federal judge blocks Trump's health insurance rule for immigrants]
 
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drcube said:
Trump does deserve some credit for not screwing up the Obama economy
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Now that’s a hoot!!! I tell you with all honesty, thank God I park my cellphone while behind the wheel. If I were to read that while driving, I’d drive my car right off the road from laughing so darn hard. The tears would cloud my vision!!! Good one drcube!
 
Mark121359 said:
Now that’s a hoot!!! I tell you with all honesty, thank God I park my cellphone while behind the wheel. If I were to read that while driving, I’d drive my car right off the road from laughing so darn hard. The tears would cloud my vision!!! Good one drcube!
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Can you explain why you think the post is so funny?
 
drcube said:
Can you explain why you think the post is so funny?
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You all but said he chose temporary effects in spite of the long-lasting adverse effect you expect them to have–that is, he’s running up a deficit to heat up an economy that is already doing well. That’s an accomplishment? It sounds like he’s setting up the economy to burn hot just until he leaves office. Then he can blame the inevitable collapse on someone else!! Won’t that be convenient!
drcube said:
Trump does deserve some credit for not screwing up the Obama economy, because I think some of the tax cuts have resulted in the economy staying hot. Now, I am against increasing the deficit when the economy is good, so I don’t think it is a plus for Trump, but I’m sure many other do.
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PetraG said:
You all but said he chose temporary effects in spite of the long-lasting adverse effect you expect them to have–that is, he’s running up a deficit to heat up an economy that is already doing well. That’s an accomplishment? It sounds like he’s setting up the economy to burn hot just until he leaves office. Then he can blame the inevitable collapse on someone else!! Won’t that be convenient!
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Well, I don’t think Trump is heating up the economy with the plan of leaving office next year and being able to blame others when it slows down. Tax cuts have been a key component of Republican policy, so it makes sense they would pass them when they have control of the White House and Congress. That said, I do not consider it an accomplishment in a positive sense as I think it causes more harm than good.
 
Mark121359 said:
Not saying this is you. But it would be virtually impossible to explain these things to those who suffer from Trump derangement syndrome. I’d have a much easier go at explaining calculus to a two year old! 😉
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Why is it that the people who don’t excuse brazen falsehoods and exaggerated claims of accomplishment are the ones being dismissed as having the “derangement syndrome”?

Those are the other things that marks this Administration: a) Name-calling in place of actual rebuttals to criticism and b) the inability of the President of the United States to ever take responsibility for his mistakes or misconduct. I don’t think I have ever heard him apologize for anything he did, unless you count expressing regret for hiring people who failed to meet his expectations, which really is not taking responsibility at all. It is throwing an underling under the bus in order to avoid taking responsibility.
 
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drcube said:
Well, I don’t think Trump is heating up the economy with the plan of leaving office next year and being able to blame others when it slows down. Tax cuts have been a key component of Republican policy, so it makes sense they would pass them when they have control of the White House and Congress. That said, I do not consider it an accomplishment in a positive sense as I think it causes more harm than good.
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I will concede that HRC could have figured out how to effectively carry out her office in a way that would have tanked the economy. That is absolutely possible. Having said that, the President is conveniently failing to meet promises that were expensive or painful, like getting everybody covered with health insurance and retiring the national debt.
 
Mark121359 said:
So you too are saying that this is the Obama economy?
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No, I’m saying that if Obama didn’t get credit for the economy recovering from a total disaster then Trump should not get credit for an economy continuing to improve.

Pick a standard and stick with it.
 
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