Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values in mind?

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farronwolf said:
Not certain that focusing on feeding folks is the best place to start saving money in the US budget since it only consists of 2% of the entire budget.
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That would undoubtedly be said by someone about every part of the budget. But it’s hard to justify giving welfare to able-bodied people with no dependents if they won’t work or take job training.
 
Should there be a requirement to work, yes. During a recession when unemployment is rising, and people are loosing their jobs, should it be waived, probably.

If I remember correctly, there is usually a 6 month limit on unemployment benefits, but it was also extended to 1 year during the recession. I know of a couple of die hard republicans who took full advantage of drawing over 6 months of unemployment because they weren’t offered a job they wanted. I am certain democrats did the same.

We were running a trillion dollar deficit during the recession. What is the reason for running a trillion dollar deficit during the best economic period in our country’s history. ( not really true but it is not a recession).

This certainly is a harm being done to our country and future generations.
 
farronwolf said:
We were running a trillion dollar deficit during the recession. What is the reason for running a trillion dollar deficit during the best economic period in our country’s history. ( not really true but it is not a recession).
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It may be a trillion dollar deficit, but is the biggest, most beautiful, most wonderful and brilliant trillion dollar deficit ever. No country in the universe, or even the whole solar system has ever had a more beautiful deficit.
 
Along with Bush and Obama, you forgot them.

The law hasn’t changed, there is still the ability to grant waivers by the states under certain circumstances to allow for exceptions. As it should be.

I think everyone should work. I have been doing it since I was about 12. However, if you remove all of the safety nets in our society you would have mass chaos.

Lets assume we got rid of the TANF, SNAP, Section 8, Hope 6, SSI, and unemployment insurance. What would those people do? Some would starve. Some would resort to theft, murder, suicide or abandoning their children. We would have shanty towns crop up everywhere like there was during the depression.

Is this an acceptable solution for you?
 
Never have I advocated getting rid of all welfare programs. But I do say (as you apparently do as well) that anyone who is receiving public benefits, if he/she is able-bodied and without dependents should be required to work or attend job training or (if practical) both.

However, echoing the complaint of some welfare workers I know, there needs to be more investigators, especially ones who can speak Spanish.
 
farronwolf said:
He has gotten an entire portion of the population to simply accept lies for the truth, or that telling lies is acceptable, bullying is ok, politicians surrounding themselves with criminals is ok.

Do I really need to go on?
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Yes, and the reality is that one could go on to come up with an extensive laundry list of the utterly depraved words, actions, and lies that Trump & Co have committed.

Part of my undergrad course work way back when involved a class entitled “Catholic Moral Theology”, and it was taught be a Jesuit priest, Fr. John Hardon, who wrote the most commonly used adult catechism book used in the States in the 60’s and beyond. He must be rolling over in his grave with the many Catholics who seemingly accept Trump’s behavior as somehow being compatible with Church teachings.
 
Metis1 said:
He must be rolling over in his grave with the many Catholics who seemingly accept Trump’s behavior as somehow being compatible with Church teachings.
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I don’t think he would accuse Trump’s supporters of affirming those sins Trump really has committed, or their own, either.

But he would likely also understand the millions of people who do not vainly purport to sit in judgment over Trump’s soul but appreciate his attempts to save the lives of the millions killed with alacrity by his opponents through abortion, and his saving the Little Sisters of the Poor from having to provide abortifacients to their employees and themselves.
 
u are wrong. People HAVE made that claim, although they do so in a sneaky (intentionally sneaky or otherwise) way

If you vote against Trump knowing that he is the pro-life candidate while all others support killing unborn children… frankly, I don’t give a rat’s behind WHAT your so called “reasons” are… A Christian (and all those of good will) has absolutely NO reason to vote for a pro=death candidate. END OF SENTENCE
 
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all the other candidates believe its OK to kill an unborn child.

voting is a no-brainer. . . .

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yes, it is pretty short sighted and disingenuous to always criticize someone and never say anything good about him or her… discredits the criticize-er asap

but they don’t care

they have an election to win…

that is ALL they care about IMO
 
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fedup19 said:
frankly, I don’t give a rat’s behind WHAT your so called “reasons” are… A Christian (and all those of good will) has absolutely NO reason to vote for a pro=death candidate.
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I don’t think you have the authority to say what a Christian may do in this regard. But you are entitled to your opinion.
 
fedup19 said:
u are wrong. People HAVE made that claim, although they do so in a sneaky (intentionally sneaky or otherwise) way

If you vote against Trump knowing that he is the pro-life candidate while all others support killing unborn children… frankly, I don’t give a rat’s behind WHAT your so called “reasons” are… A Christian (and all those of good will) has absolutely NO reason to vote for a pro=death candidate. END OF SENTENCE
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This is a Catholic forum. It should be expected that Catholics will follow the teaching of the Church. Again, no one gets to kick Jesus off his throne, or elevate themselves to Pope. From a practical point, brow-beating others by condemning them is not an effective campaign strategy, nor is it charitable.

This is how Catholics vote:

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...ciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-one.cfm
 
LeafByNiggle said:
I don’t think you have the authority to say what a Christian may do in this regard. But you are entitled to your opinion.
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That is a line too many are crossing. Fortunately the Church chooses to take the Pauline path, not the path of the Pharisees, when it comes to conscience. The Church teaches that formation of the conscience is an on-going process, but we are also to follow that informed conscience. One the other hand, I do not believe at the time the Catechism was written there a way to foresee how the internet would allow more extremism and partisanship. The most effective means of dialogue ever devised has become a place for shouting at each other.

Yet I have hope in Pope Francis, referring to the example of his life. As lot of bishops did not care for him, yet he managed to keep the Church together and minister to both socialists and nationalists, even when they were in open conflict with each other.
 
pnewton said:
From a practical point, brow-beating others by condemning them is not an effective campaign strategy, nor is it charitable.
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Are we, then, no longer to “admonish the sinner”? Guess not if it isn’t an effective campaign strategy?
 
fedup19 said:
u are wrong. People HAVE made that claim, although they do so in a sneaky (intentionally sneaky or otherwise) way

If you vote against Trump knowing that he is the pro-life candidate while all others support killing unborn children… frankly, I don’t give a rat’s behind WHAT your so called “reasons” are… A Christian (and all those of good will) has absolutely NO reason to vote for a pro=death candidate. END OF SENTENCE
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Trump is not Pro-Life. You might do your own research, but he clearly would be for allowing abortion in cases of rape, incest, mothers health, and most likely some others.

Abortion of some kind will remain legal in this country until there is a Constitutional Amendment making it illegal. Even if the SCOTUS overturns Roe, it will go back to the states and will still remain legal since the SCOTUS has ruled that states can not place an outright ban on abortions. . . .

The only way to promote a culture of life is to treat people with respect, no matter who they are, what status in society they hold, and as Christians love your neighbor as yourself. Something Trump . . . is definitely not an examplar of.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
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pnewton:
From a practical point, brow-beating others by condemning them is not an effective campaign strategy, nor is it charitable.
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Are we, then, no longer to “admonish the sinner”? Guess not if it isn’t an effective campaign strategy?
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Admonish the sinner only if you are sure it is a sin and not merely something that goes against your personal opinion.
 
I thought this thread was about voting. I must have missed the point where it transitioned to a general discussion of abortion.
 
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