Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values in mind?

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pnewton said:
I always like to remember that correlation does not equal causation. Or it may be that the link is something else. In any case, if making abortion illegal is coming close to being legally impossible (short of a change to the Constitution), then stopping sex outside of marriage is a train that has already left the station and run off the rails down the line. I would think it more profitable to concentrate efforts on reducing abortion to making the prospect of having a child outside of marriage less burdensom
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Correlation does not equal causation, true, but that is pretty strong evidence. I do think it is possible to emphasize abstinence as a public good, but I think this will come more from families than government. I agree with you that efforts to make having a child less burdensome can also reap significant benefits.
JimG said:
If casual sex outside of marriage is a big problem, and I think it is, then I look forward to finding many Democrat candidates who will advocate for polices aimed at eliminating casual sex outside of marriage.
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Why do you look to the government to solve this? This is more a family/religious issue.
dvdjs said:
Do you also look for Republicans to candidates to “advocate for polices aimed at eliminating casual sex outside of marriage”.
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Again, I don’t think of this as something a government can solve.
 
I do not think that this is true. Rs passed legislation that was ruled unconstitutional, and they modified the laws they next passed to comport with the ruling so that the law would not be ruled unConstitutional.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Isn’t your question a “whataboutism” something you seem to disdain ?.🤨
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No. My question was a genuine one made in the hopes of finding some interest in bipartisanship on issues like this. And @JimG answered it well, in that spirit.
 
drcube said:
Why do you look to the government to solve this? This is more a family/religious issue.
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Indeed. Western society has lost its Judeo-Christian moral compass. Our governments reflect society’s values. Real change requires changing those values, which in turn requires re-evangelizing Western society.
 
I think that it’s very clear that Trump has serious problems with basic Judeo-Christian and Catholic moral teachings, and it is rather easy to list many of them that are not just alleged because so many of them have been done “in plain view”. Even Pope Francis and the USCCB has mentioned some of them even though they do not use Trump’s name.
 
Immigration is complex, for any country. Immigration calls for balance. There are a lot of issues at stake. immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens, like most of do. It’s just not as easy as picking who is most likely not to kill someone, which is important, and is scary. lol.
 
one, I am not stating opinion but fact (abortion is murder)

since that is a fact and Christians are supposed to be against murder, they cannot vote for pro abortion candidates

two: I don’t care what a candidate does BEFORE he converts, as Trump appears to have done.

we can’t judge people who have repented. Well, we can, but I don’t think that flies with Jesus
 
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fedup19 said:
one, I am not stating opinion but fact (abortion is murder)

since that is a fact and Christians are supposed to be against murder, they cannot vote for pro abortion candidates
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Your opinion notwithstanding, this is not what the Church teaches.
 
fedup19 said:
since that is a fact and Christians are supposed to be against murder, they cannot vote for pro abortion candidates
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The mistake here is equating support for a candidate with support for every single one of that candidate’s position. One can be against murder and still vote for a candidate who permits murder.
 
fedup19 said:
two: I don’t care what a candidate does BEFORE he converts, as Trump appears to have done.

we can’t judge people who have repented. Well, we can, but I don’t think that flies with Jesus
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Well, two people have tacked the other half of your comment, so I’ll touch on this half. Please provide any evidence that Trump has converted.
 
It is to long a trip around Antarctica for Central Americans to make it to the Canadian border.
 
fedup19 said:
one, I am not stating opinion but fact (abortion is murder)

since that is a fact and Christians are supposed to be against murder, they cannot vote for pro abortion candidates

two: I don’t care what a candidate does BEFORE he converts, as Trump appears to have done.

we can’t judge people who have repented. Well, we can, but I don’t think that flies with Jesus
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Christians are supposed to be against lying, adultery, bullying, sewing division, bearing false witness, stealing, and a whole host of other things.

Can one vote for a candidate that does those things?

If so, I guess the answer is because all those things aren’t as bad as abortion. But can a candidate actually stop abortions? NO. Can a candidate control the things they do personally which go against the Church’s teachings. YES.
 
So when Trump said he was willing to sign an immigration bill, and the Congress was working on it and was ready to go forward, but then Trump changes his mind because, more than likely a single adviser Steven Miller, who is to blame.

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Elf01 said:
He supports abortion
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Please specify that “support” in the moral theological language of formal/materials remote/proximate cooperation.
Elf01 said:
has performed gay marriages.
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He has officiated at a civil marriage, not a Catholic sacramental marriage.
Is it you understanding that the Catholic Church demands opposition to civil marriage among homosexuals? Are there any politicians who accede to that demand.
 
dvdjs said:
Is it you understanding that the Catholic Church demands opposition to civil marriage among homosexuals?
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Yes.
dvdjs said:
Are there any politicians who accede to that demand.
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Those that claim to be Catholic should.
dvdjs said:
Please specify that “support” in the moral theological language of formal/materials remote/proximate cooperation.
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He votes to keep it legal and as president would fund it.

Seems like formal cooperation to me.
 
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