Who Will You Vote For in 2012?

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Gift_from_God said:
Oh, come on. The depression ended around 1939, which was under FDR’s watch. If he was terrible, he wouldn’t have been voted by the people to serve four terms
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Its easy to win 4 elections when you promise stuff to people who need stuff. When you rob from Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul’s vote.
 
irishpatrick said:
The entire notion of being a one issue voter comes from academia. Professors and scholars have spread the completely false notion that being a single issue voter means one is less intelluctual or somehow less smart than those who do otherwise.
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Your proof of this is?
During the days leading up to the Civil War the left was on the side of legallized slavery (but they hid that under other issues), and today the left is doing the exact same to the unborn. The right got rid of legal slavery and it will get rid of legal abortion.
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Conservatism is the resistance for change in the current system, or to “conserve” it. Liberalism is the want for radical change to the current system because it is flawed. We view the world as being imperfect and want to take steps into perfecting it. Hence, people like Lincoln who were opposed to slavery were liberals and people that supported it were conservatives. They don’t represent modern conservatives, because even that ideology changes over time, but that’s what they were in the 19th century
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Just a slight correction…there was no left and right in the mid-19th century as we know the terms. It just reflects how parties once sat in the French Parliament in the 19th century…

The interests of the lower classes defined the left, those of the upper classes defined the right.
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Today (imo) the left and the Deomcratic Party are the same. It was the Democrats who wanted to keep things the same…they did NOT want to ban slavery as proved in the “Chicago Platform.” Since I equate the left with the Democrats…

It is no small piece of irony that the Democratic Party’s most loyal supporters are African Americans, and yet the Deomcratic Party would have happily allowed them to remain enslaved.
 
irishpatrick said:
It is no small piece of irony that the Democratic Party’s most loyal supporters are African Americans, and yet the Deomcratic Party would have happily allowed them to remain enslaved.
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The Democratic Party of the 19th century was not the same as the Democratic Party of the 20th. Black people aren’t stupid. They know that. 😦
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
:rotfl: Ya, I know that is the story they tell in schools. Thank God I homeschool and understand economics. FDR put ruinous policies in place that are STILL messing up our economy.
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I learned Canadian history while in high school, not American. I studied FDR on my own time and became an admirer of him and the New Deal.

Face the facts. The economy went to hell for a decade but did end up improving while FDR was President. If his name was Ronald Reagan and if he was Republican, you’d all love him

You also say you know how economics work. Unless you have an MBA in economics, I don’t think you can say you understand how it works
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
The Democratic Party of the 19th century was not the same as the Democratic Party of the 20th. Black people aren’t stupid. They know that. 😦
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Ahh, you are correct, today they support murder of the unborn, in the 19th century they supported the only slightly lesser offense of slavery–I wonder, in the next century what new and even more evil level will they attain to that will make abortion slightly less? 👍
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Its easy to win 4 elections when you promise stuff to people who need stuff. When you rob from Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul’s vote.
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Really? Than how did Jimmy Carter lose? Oh, that’s right, it’s because the people didn’t like him and went for Reagan instead.
 
irishpatrick said:
It is no small piece of irony that the Democratic Party’s most loyal supporters are African Americans, and yet the Deomcratic Party would have happily allowed them to remain enslaved.
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That is unbelievably offensive. Yes, there was a time when the Democratic Party supported slavery and segregation, but that’s not the party today
 
irishpatrick said:
Ahh, you are correct, today they support murder of the unborn, in the 19th century they supported the only slightly lesser offense of slavery–I wonder, in the next century what new and even more evil level will they attain to that will make abortion slightly less? 👍
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Don’t forget; the Republican Party supports the unjust Iraq War, in which innocent lives were taken.
 
Gift_from_God said:
I learned Canadian history while in high school, not American. I studied FDR on my own time and became an admirer of him and the New Deal.

Face the facts. The economy went to hell for a decade but did end up improving while FDR was President. If his name was Ronald Reagan and if he was Republican, you’d all love him

You also say you know how economics work. Unless you have an MBA in economics, I don’t think you can say you understand how it works
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Our economy improved because WWII forced us to retool our economy into an industrial base and it was the only one after the war that wasn’t bombed to smithereens, i.e., we were the only game left in town. Then the Bretton Woods conference made the US Dollar the international reserve currency. THAT is why we were economically dominant for 50 years. But all of the entitlements started by FDR and embellished by Lyndon Johnson have ruined our economy, our entrepreneural spirit, and our work ethic.

Reagan was okay, way better than the dunce he replaced, the formerly worst president of the US, recently replaced by the current occupant.

P.S., I don’t fall for the fallacy of defective induction (also called appeal to authority). Since when does one have to possess an overpriced piece of paper from an “accredited university” to understand how something works?
 
Gift_from_God said:
Oh, come on. The depression ended around 1939, which was under FDR’s watch. If he was terrible, he wouldn’t have been voted by the people to serve four terms
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Right, it ended when America started arming for WW2 and the factories started up again. If the New Deal did anything to end the Depression then why, in the fall of 1937 was there a “depression within the Depression” ?

Ishii
 
irishpatrick said:
Ahh, you are correct, today they support murder of the unborn, in the 19th century they supported the only slightly lesser offense of slavery–I wonder, in the next century what new and even more evil level will they attain to that will make abortion slightly less? 👍
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If you don’t understand that the entire Democratic Party experienced a sea change in the 20th century, then there’s no reasoning with you from my point of view. Believe what you want to.

But, do consider Democrat Al Smith in the 1928 presidential election. A pro-abortion Catholic? How about Senator Robert Wagner of New York? Both supported the abortion lobby? Pshaw!!
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Our economy improved because WWII forced us to retool our economy into an industrial base and it was the only one after the war that wasn’t bombed to smithereens, i.e., we were the only game left in town. Then the Bretton Woods conference made the US Dollar the international reserve currency. THAT is why we were economically dominant for 50 years. But all of the entitlements started by FDR and embellished by Lyndon Johnson have ruined our economy, our entrepreneural spirit, and our work ethic.
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The War did improve the economy amazingly, but who was President during the War? FDR.
Reagan was okay, way better than the dunce he replaced, the formerly worst president of the US, recently replaced by the current occupant.
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Fair enough, but I think the worst President is James Buchanan, Lincoln’s predecessor. I’m not an Obama fan either, but I don’t think he’s as bad as George Bush.
P.S., I don’t fall for the fallacy of defective induction (also called appeal to authority). Since when does one have to possess an overpriced piece of paper from an “accredited university” to understand how something works?
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Because those people are the professionals. If I want a building built, I’d call a licensed architect. If I wanted surgery, I’d go to a licensed surgeon. These people are licensed because of school, where they spend years studying their field of interest. I wouldn’t go to a random person who thinks he/she can do it. Hence, if I have questions about the economy, I’d go to an actual economist.
 
Gift_from_God said:
I learned Canadian history while in high school, not American. I studied FDR on my own time and became an admirer of him and the New Deal.

Face the facts. The economy went to hell for a decade but did end up improving while FDR was President. If his name was Ronald Reagan and if he was Republican, you’d all love him

You also say you know how economics work. Unless you have an MBA in economics, I don’t think you can say you understand how it works
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ishii said:
Right, it ended when America started arming for WW2 and the factories started up again. If the New Deal did anything to end the Depression then why, in the fall of 1937 was there a “depression within the Depression” ?

Ishii
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“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.”

“I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises.”

“I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot!”

The words are those of none other than Henry Morgenthau Jr. — close friend, lunch companion, loyal secretary of the Treasury to President Franklin D. Roosevelt — and key architect of FDR’s New Deal.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.”

“I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises.”

“I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot!”

The words are those of none other than Henry Morgenthau Jr. — close friend, lunch companion, loyal secretary of the Treasury to President Franklin D. Roosevelt — and key architect of FDR’s New Deal.
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Oh my goodness, one individual! How compelling! :rolleyes:
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
If you don’t understand that the entire Democratic Party experienced a sea change in the 20th century, then there’s no reasoning with you from my point of view. Believe what you want to.

But, do consider Democrat Al Smith in the 1928 presidential election. A pro-abortion Catholic? How about Senator Robert Wagner of New York? Both supported the abortion lobby? Pshaw!!
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The Deomcratic Party plank officially declares its support of abortion. The Democratic Party is far worse then it was in Civil War days…at least then they did not support killing innocents.

It is amazingly sad that a party who made such a horrible mistake in the 19th century has not learned from its own history. They claim to be the party of the people and of civil rights, all while they support the sluaghter of innocents right before their eyes.

Truth is often offensive.
 
irishpatrick said:
Right. Today they support the slaughter of our unborn.
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And look at the GOP. Supporting the Iraq War, one of the most unjust wars in recent times in which thousands of innocent lives have been lost. That’s not pro-life
 
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