Who Will You Vote For in 2012?

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Exactly. The economy and social justice means nothing to those killed through abortion. How could it?
True. I would be more inclined to single-issue voting if it actually had significant results. It has been almost 40 years since Roe v Wade was passed, and I’m not going to spend anymore time falling for the GOP’s lip service.

In my mind, their alleged “Pro-Life” position in no way justifies their anti-poor anti-immigration anti-climate change agenda.
 
True. I would be more inclined to single-issue voting if it actually had significant results. It has been almost 40 years since Roe v Wade was passed, and I’m not going to spend anymore time falling for the GOP’s lip service.

In my mind, their alleged “Pro-Life” position in no way justifies their anti-poor anti-immigration anti-climate change agenda.
The GOP is not anti-poor, they are anti-blanket entitlement.

It is not anti-immigration, it is anti-open borders.

It is not anti-climate, anti-environment, it is pro-stewardship and pro-market.

However! sometimes it is a little TOO pro-market, and pro-corporatist for my taste.

Just because they believe that there are market-based, faith-based means of caring for the downtrodden doesn’t mean they are “anti-poor”. that is an ignorant and fallacious idea spread by pro-Democrat ideologues. Learn to think for yourself. 🙂
 
Read my signature. I am done with political parties. They are part of the problem, as George Washington predicted some 230 years ago.
Thats fine if you want but who will represent you? If you are “Libertarian”…isn’t that a party…or it is what they think it is.🤷
 
Thats fine if you want but who will represent you? If you are “Libertarian”…isn’t that a party…or it is what they think it is.🤷
He wrote libertarian with a small "L". I believe he is referring to the principles of libertarianism, not the official party.
 
True. I would be more inclined to single-issue voting if it actually had significant results. It has been almost 40 years since Roe v Wade was passed, and I’m not going to spend anymore time falling for the GOP’s lip service.
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You can’t overturn Roe V Wade with a simple majority in congress. The president nominates justices who in turn get approved or rejected by the Senate. The Democrats have rejected justices who would likely have gone on to overturn Roe V Wade such as Robert Bork. Timing is also a factor: a president might be pro-life but have few or no opportunities to nominate supreme court justices. We have four solid constructionist justices who would likely overturn Roe V Wade if given the opportunity. All were nominated by a Republican president. We have solid pro-Roe V Wade justices - all were nominated by either Clinton or Obama. Then there are the “wild card” justices like Anthony Kennedy that usually come from the GOP after their original pick was rejected ( in this case Bork and Douglas Ginsburg). To accuse the GOP of only paying lip service to the issue of abortion because Roe V Wade hasn’t been overturned yet is way too simplistic. If you want to know why Roe V Wade is still the law of the land you might ask the Democrat catholic senators who voted to reject Bork. You might also ask the Democrat catholic voters who voted for Obama, thus ensuring the next two vacancies would be solid pro-Roe V Wade justices. While you’re at it, ask the Catholic independent voters (the true believers!) who voted for a 3rd party - taking votes away from McCain and indirectly helping Obama get elected. There’s lots of blame to go around, isn’t there?

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you might ask the Democrat catholic senators who voted to reject Bork.
There were other issues with Bork that kept him from being accepted - his rather rigid judicial philosophy, for one.
While you’re at it, ask the Catholic independent voters (the true believers!) who voted for a 3rd party - taking votes away from McCain and indirectly helping Obama get elected. There’s lots of blame to go around, isn’t there?
No blame there whatsoever. We are NOT obligated to vote Republican, and those Catholics who voted for Chuck Baldwin’s Constitutional Party did nothing wrong. Perhaps they believed that that party’s platform was superior to that of the GOP. Whatever reason they had was totally legitimate.

The Constitutionalists are BTW pro-life.
 
I vote for not Obama. He is despicably pro-choice to the point that he would not care for babies who survived abortion attempts. He voted for a bill in Chicago Senate that would let these babies die. I can see why some people can be pro-choice (it’s still wrong, but I understand the reasoning) but I cannot understand on who anyone can support it to the extent that Obama supports it.

I will look for someone who will try to overturn or weaken Roe V. Wade, keep the fundamental structure of marriage intact, protect our 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th… amendmant rights, protect American culture and secure our borders. (Mexico, ironically, has a strict border policy (which I cannot support). Illegal immigrants into Mexico are most likely killed). We must protect our borders and let no one in illegally, and send people back who have gotten in illegally and have committed any crime. Illegal immigrants also should not be able to receive any government benefits. One must prove their immigration status before receiving this. We have enough poor of our own due to our bad economy.

Also, as a sidenote, we should put a high tariff on Chinese goods and have others follow. China is in great economic shape but they are a bane to the success of our domestic economies. In fact, China does not deserve its economic success due to its total disregard for human rights (one child policy, persecution of Catholics, etc.)
 
You can’t overturn Roe V Wade with a simple majority in congress…
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If 2/3rds of the House and Senate support an amendment to the Constitution and it gets ratified by 3/4ths of the states, we could end Roe v. Wade.

I would like to at least see the attempt made even if the votes aren't there so that every Senator and Representative will be forced to vote it up or down.
 
There were other issues with Bork that kept him from being accepted - his rather rigid judicial philosophy, for one.

No blame there whatsoever. We are NOT obligated to vote Republican, and those Catholics who voted for Chuck Baldwin’s Constitutional Party did nothing wrong. Perhaps they believed that that party’s platform was superior to that of the GOP. Whatever reason they had was totally legitimate.

The Constitutionalists are BTW pro-life.
Apparently according to ishii one is at fault for voting for parties not likely to win the presidency, Funny, i didn’t know “might is right” was part of Catholic teaching.

But no, I’m sure he’s right. Those Republican judges will come around eventually to save the unborn. You know, after there done with the really important stuff, like granting legal personhood to corporations. You know, the high priorities. Eventually they’ll get to the minor stff like Roe v. Wade… eventually…
 
Oh, and I checked ‘other.’ I’m voting for Brian Moore for president. :😛 kidding
 
Apparently according to ishii one is at fault for voting for parties not likely to win the presidency, Funny, i didn’t know “might is right” was part of Catholic teaching.

But no, I’m sure he’s right. Those Republican judges will come around eventually to save the unborn. You know, after there done with the really important stuff, like granting legal personhood to corporations. You know, the high priorities. Eventually they’ll get to the minor stff like Roe v. Wade… eventually…
In the case of abortion, it will take might to end it. Until “pro life” democrats set aside there differences and join the real pro life crowd, abortion will continue as is.

Until then, they can consider themselves pro life all day long, their desire to see pro abortion politicians beat out pro life politicians prove them wrong.
 
True. I would be more inclined to single-issue voting if it actually had significant results.
IMO Many people think this way, mistakenly.

Under the Democrats - We USA ] has now become the worlds largest single source funder of international abortionists. We fund them here domestically - We fund them through the UN Mexico Treaty etc. ].

Abortion isn’t a “single issue” anymore.

It is a right to life issue
It is a Constitutional issue Equal protection ]
It is an economic issue Tax payer funding - domestically and Internationally ]
It is a moral issue
It is a personal freedom issue Conscious clause ]
It is a Religious freedom issue.

It might have been viewed, at one time, as a “single issue” - but those days are long gone,.as the “Game Plan” instigated decades ago, by abortionists, now sees the light of day.

IMO NO Catholic can stand and try to call abortion a “single issue”.
It would take ignorance compounded with self imposed blinders, 😦
 
Apparently according to ishii one is at fault for voting for parties not likely to win the presidency, Funny, i didn’t know “might is right” was part of Catholic teaching.

But no, I’m sure he’s right. Those Republican judges will come around eventually to save the unborn. You know, after there done with the really important stuff, like granting legal personhood to corporations. You know, the high priorities. Eventually they’ll get to the minor stff like Roe v. Wade… eventually…
There are MANY things, And MANY chances this last administration of so called, Pro-life Democrats,has had opportunistic advantages of supporting pro-life issues As I mentioned in a previous post ]…I’ll let their record speak for them. 😦
 
In the case of abortion, it will take might to end it. Until “pro life” democrats set aside there differences and join the real pro life crowd, abortion will continue as is.

Until then, they can consider themselves pro life all day long, their desire to see pro abortion politicians beat out pro life politicians prove them wrong.
What is “the real pro-life crowd”?

If I were to have voted for Chuck Baldwin, he is part of the “pro-life” crowd, so no other pro-lifers need complain about my vote. Just as long as we all acknowledge that a pro-life vote needn’t be a vote for the GOP.
 
What is “the real pro-life crowd”?

If I were to have voted for Chuck Baldwin, he is part of the “pro-life” crowd, so no other pro-lifers need complain about my vote. Just as long as we all acknowledge that a pro-life vote needn’t be a vote for the GOP.
Those of us who understand the current reality of our voting choices.
 
What is “the real pro-life crowd”?

If I were to have voted for Chuck Baldwin, he is part of the “pro-life” crowd, so no other pro-lifers need complain about my vote. Just as long as we all acknowledge that a pro-life vote needn’t be a vote for the GOP.
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Pastor and Moral Majority leader ** Chuck Baldwin endorses Ron Paul for President **. He cites his Pro-Life and Pro-Peace positions, and his impeccable record defending the Constitution as his reason.
youtube.com/watch?v=eG_31eRd1bE
 
The fact is that I just don’t trust many of what I think are the genuine pro-life Republicans.

Unless I could somehow be assured that Roe v Wade would be overturned and would stay that way for a long time, I would never vote for George Bush, and I would certainly never vote for Sarah Palin.

The Archdiocese of the Twin Cities sure wasn’t a fan of T-Paw when he took away General Assistance Medical Care from the state’s poor.

Mitt Romney is about as genuinely pro-life as much as I am a fan of the Green Bay Packers. That is to say, not at all.

It seems to me that people who say that you HAVE to vote Republican because they are “pro-life” are always the people who basically agree with Republicans on everything else as well. It just seems all too convenient.
 
Unless I could somehow be assured that Roe v Wade would be overturned and would stay that way for a long time, I would never vote for George Bush, and I would certainly never vote for Sarah Palin.
Overturning Roe v. Wade would not make abortion illegal. It would return jurisdiction on abortion to the states.
 
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