Why are there a lot of misinformed and frankly uneducated Catholics that frown upon orthodox Church teachings and Traditions that were otherwise belov

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DeniseNY said:
And for the record, I and my fellow Eastern Catholics as much traditional Catholic as any Latin Christian.
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The term "traditional’ is shorthand for traditional Roman Rite.
Getting offended by that is like someone getting offended by the term Eastern Rite.
We’re all Eastern Rite since all liturgy came from the Last Supper - in the East. 🙂
 
For me, if this wasn’t true:

“a majority of Catholics do not believe that the bread and wine used at Mass become the body and blood of Christ”

And if this wasn’t true:

"Nearly 70 percent of Catholic women use sterilization, the birth control pill or an IUD, "

I might have some sympathy for those who think traditional Catholicism is “bashing” them.

But perhaps we need to shine some light on problems and be willing to say that some things are not going well?
 
Bill_B_NY said:
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Emeraldlady:
On the other hand there are numerous instances of unprovoked and insulting bashing going the other way.
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You find some people to be insulting. You do not like this (or them?).
Did I understand that correctly?
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Hypocritical more to the point.
 
You may have missed the multiple posts we’ve had in this board over the years where Eastern Catholics have been told that we aren’t even really Catholic.
 
Bill_B_NY said:
For me, if this wasn’t true:

“a majority of Catholics do not believe that the bread and wine used at Mass become the body and blood of Christ”

And if this wasn’t true:

"Nearly 70 percent of Catholic women use sterilization, the birth control pill or an IUD, "

I might have some sympathy for those who think traditional Catholicism is “bashing” them.

But perhaps we need to shine some light on problems and be willing to say that some things are not going well?
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I don’t see how this at all relates to calling the OF inferior or saying Catholics are uneducated for disliking the TLM.
Bill_B_NY said:
I think the OP is not looking for opinions from misinformed and uneducated Catholics who frown on Catholic tradition.
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Who here even fits that definition?
 
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Bill_B_NY said:
But perhaps we need to shine some light on problems and be willing to say that some things are not going well?
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Completely agree. Vatican II did encourage more participation from the laity in evangelizing and defending the faith, charitably, though yes.

I find that there is no one group of Catholics more charitable or more uncharitable than the other. It takes two to argue or debate.
 
Bill_B_NY said:
For me, if this wasn’t true:

“a majority of Catholics do not believe that the bread and wine used at Mass become the body and blood of Christ”

And if this wasn’t true:

"Nearly 70 percent of Catholic women use sterilization, the birth control pill or an IUD, "

I might have some sympathy for those who think traditional Catholicism is “bashing” them.

But perhaps we need to shine some light on problems and be willing to say that some things are not going well?
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But grave sin is not a non traditionalist hallmark. It is a problem with traditionalists as well.

 
Receiving on tongue and from Priests is more consistent with transubstantiation since it’s literally Christ’s body.
 
MagdalenaRita said:
I find that there is no one group of Catholics more charitable or more uncharitable than the other. It takes two to argue or debate.
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Agreed. Healthy argument is necessary, I think. We should strive for understanding of each other, even of those who are our enemies. Jesus commanded that we love our enemies. So, we must be charitable, but also not avoid saying things which can be helpful although unpleasant.
 
Emeraldlady said:
But grave sin is not a non traditionalist hallmark. It is a problem with traditionalists as well.
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Understood.
But what Fr. Ripperger said was entirely anecdotal. He cited no statistics or studies of traditionalists. He just tossed out his opinion based on what he hears in confession or in conferences.
What is the level of unbelief? We’ve got the data on the American Church.
It is a huge difference to fall into sin, which one knows and believes one much repent of, than of affirming that something is not a sin at all (going against defined teaching).
That’s the problem. People are denying the teaching. This does not happen in traditional parishes.
 
DeniseNY said:
You may have missed the multiple posts we’ve had in this board over the years where Eastern Catholics have been told that we aren’t even really Catholic.
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That is a suffering shared with many in the traditional Roman Rite. It should never happen that way.
 
I can handle the hostility that ignorant Catholics exhibit since I’ve faced it all my life.
I think others offered good answers as to why we have the situation we do.
What I see on CAF is a microcosm of what is in parishes and dioceses. People who do not love the Catholic tradition, tell people who do love it, what they should or shouldn’t believe and do.
 
Bill_B_NY said:
But perhaps we need to shine some light on problems and be willing to say that some things are not going well?
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Major gap in your logic. Many Catholics don’t see these as problems. They see them as solutions and reason to celebrate since we need to “get with the rest of Christianity” even though the rest of Christianity left Catholicism (notice how the ecumenical movement has one direction = Catholics becoming less Catholic)
 
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