Why are there "Gay Pride Parades" ?

[ricmat]

Telling people that they are immoral for how they were born would irritate people.
Who knew?

SSA is not a sin. SSA is a temptation. We all have some sort of temptations that we should not act upon.

It’s the act that’s a sin, and it’s the act that is a choice.

From the CCC:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

 

[ricmat]

Even today in most states it’s completely legal to fire someone for being gay.

Even today, in most states it’s completely legal to fire someone for looking old, being overweight, being too pretty, being too short, wearing the wrong clothes, etc. You can be fired for any reason at all or no reason at all.

Let’s all those folks in those categories go have a parade - maybe we’ll feel better!

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Even today, in most states it’s completely legal to fire someone for looking old, being overweight, being too pretty, being too short, wearing the wrong clothes, etc. You can be fired for any reason at all or no reason at all.

Let’s all those folks in those categories go have a parade - maybe we’ll feel better!

Not only that, but just because you *could * legally fire someone for being gay, I highly doubt that you would. You’d have lawsuits and new people all over you in a minute. There are a lot of laws on the books that just aren’t acted on or enforced today.

The place were I work it has had same-sex insurance and anti-discrimination policies for at least 30 years. I believe this is true of most corporations, and public organizations as well.

Gays are simply not discriminated against at all anymore.

 

[signit]

Not only that, but just because you *could * legally fire someone for being gay, I highly doubt that you would. You’d have lawsuits and new people all over you in a minute. There are a lot of laws on the books that just aren’t acted on or enforced today.

Or, just because you wouldn’t doesn’t mean another employer wouldn’t.

And you wouldn’t have lawsuits in the many states where it’s legal to fire someone just for being gay.

The place were I work it has had same-sex insurance and anti-discrimination policies for at least 30 years. I believe this is true of most corporations, and public organizations as well.

This is true of most Fortune 500 firms.

Maybe they’re smart enough to know it doesn’t make good business sense to fire a good employee just because they’re gay or because somebody thinks they are.

It’s not necessarily true at Mom and Pop firms.

Firing your best employee of 20 years just because the neighborhood gossip told you they’re gay is stupid, and I’m not sympathetic to an employer that would do it.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Even today, in most states it’s completely legal to fire someone for looking old, being overweight, being too pretty, being too short, wearing the wrong clothes, etc. You can be fired for any reason at all or no reason at all.

It’s not just about being fired. Same Sex Attraction was enough for some one to be labeled as a sociopath with a number of other psychological disturbances. It wasn’t necessary to be sexually active for this labeling. SSA alone were enough. And once labeled as a sociopath quite a number of doors were closed. In part that label was dropped through the use of public demonstrations (many of which were protest).

 

[inocente]

I don’t think it is common at all. In fact, heterosexuals are bullied by homosexuals into having to accept their aberrant lifestyle no matter what they personally think about it. I have never persecuted a homosexual in my life, in fact I feel that I am always bending over backwards for them, compromising my values, and being extra nice to them, just in case they accuse me of being anti-gay. And I do not think I am alone in this.

Heterosexuals bullied by homosexuals? When LGBTs are outnumbered by heterosexuals 25 to 1, and have nothing in common except for that LGBT label?

Next you’ll be claiming you feel bullied in the presence of blondes in gingham dresses.

Sounds like either you’ve never been bullied and so don’t know what it means, or that you find yourself in a minority.

All law-abiding tax paying citizens have a right to be treated equally in a fair society. If you don’t like having to obey laws which the majority in your country approve, tough, that’s not bullying, that’s democracy.

 

[Winterwolf00]

Heterosexuals bullied by homosexuals? When LGBTs are outnumbered by heterosexuals 25 to 1, and have nothing in common except for that LGBT label?

Next you’ll be claiming you feel bullied in the presence of blondes in gingham dresses.

Sounds like either you’ve never been bullied and so don’t know what it means, or that you find yourself in a minority.

All law-abiding tax paying citizens have a right to be treated equally in a fair society. If you don’t like having to obey laws which the majority in your country approve, tough, that’s not bullying, that’s democracy.

I do always love when people on the other side of the aisle can agree on what’s most important.

 

[edwest2]

It’s not just about being fired. Same Sex Attraction was enough for some one to be labeled as a sociopath with a number of other psychological disturbances. It wasn’t necessary to be sexually active for this labeling. SSA alone were enough. And once labeled as a sociopath quite a number of doors were closed. In part that label was dropped through the use of public demonstrations (many of which were protest).

Can you cite a scientific reference for the sociopath label? And the other “psychological disturbances.”?

Best,
Ed

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Can you cite a -]scientific/-]reference for the sociopath label? And the other “psychological disturbances.”?

I struck out the word “scientific” because it can be argued the labeling in the mental health manual was not backed by scientific data. And just to be clear, I am not labeling them as sociopaths, but I’m presenting this as something the Gay community had to work against. The sociopath label could cost some one their occupation, position in society, and a lot more.

See DSM-I oI under Sociopathic Personality Disorder or DSM-II Sexual Deviation. If you don’t have access to an early edition DSM then see “Wikipedia” for the entry Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders and search for the word “sociopath.” I’ve encountered people that seem to lament over homosexuality being removed from the DSM but it seems it is less known how it was classified within there.

The gay rights movement in combination with the Evelyn Hooker study bringing the DSM classification into question is part of what lead to the removal from the the DSM of the sociopathic classification. Gays coming out in the public and allowing people to see that they are not the threatening group that previous labels would have painted them to be plays a role in combating some of the dehumanizing views.

 

[edwest2]

I struck out the word “scientific” because it can be argued the labeling in the mental health manual was not backed by scientific data. And just to be clear, I am not labeling them as sociopaths, but I’m presenting this as something the Gay community had to work against. The sociopath label could cost some one their occupation, position in society, and a lot more.

See DSM-I oI under Sociopathic Personality Disorder or DSM-II Sexual Deviation. If you don’t have access to an early edition DSM then see “Wikipedia” for the entry Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders and search for the word “sociopath.” I’ve encountered people that seem to lament over homosexuality being removed from the DSM but it seems it is less known how it was classified within there.

The gay rights movement in combination with the Evelyn Hooker study bringing the DSM classification into question is part of what lead to the removal from the the DSM of the sociopathic classification. Gays coming out in the public and allowing people to see that they are not the threatening group that previous labels would have painted them to be plays a role in combating some of the dehumanizing views.

I am aware of the DSM classification before years of research and published studies were discarded due to activities involving a radical gay group (see Frank Kameny) and closeted gays in the APA. A “vote” occurred in 1973 that reclassified Homosexuality. A reclassification by lobbying. The same thing occurred recently regarding the classification of Transgender persons - again, after lobbying. I suggest the following:

amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0691028370

I worked with gay/LGBT persons in the 1970s and 1980s, and you know what? I didn’t imagine for a second what they did on their own time. We got along. Their privacy was respected. When I went to the ER at the hospital where I worked - sexual orientation was not on the list of questions. “Stay out of my bedroom” was the phrase at the time. And when an employee underwent “sexual reassignment surgery,” there was no uproar. But today, LGBT persons have abandoned their privacy. Some accuse all not in line with their current thinking of being bigots, hate-filled and other names. Force will not convince anyone to like anyone.

Any harm done to homosexual persons either recently or in the past is the fault of the perpetrator, not everybody else. But that didn’t stop a celebrity from appearing on TV and telling everyone to “stop being homophobic.” Who was he talking to? 5 year old Bobby who can’t even spell yet? Or 80 year old women in nursing homes? Honestly. It was outrageous.

Ed

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

I hate this argument because it is SO false. Black people at one time were not allowed to eat or stay in the same places as white people. Black people can’t hide the color of their skin.

Gay people can keep their sexual preferences hidden from others. Even when people knew someone was gay in the past, they didn’t make a big deal about it. Who cares? What you do in your bedroom is your business and I sure don’t want to know the details.

Except for the having the cops called and thrown in jail.

You mean before or after they were hanged?
Or do you mean just 50 years ago when you could lose your job if your boss found out you were gay?
Oh wait my mistake that still happens.

I don’t know how coming gay people being hanged is, but I agree the firing still happens today.

There wasn’t much hanging, that is a huge myth. Talk to blacks if you want to talk about people unfairly hanged and lynched.

As for losing your job, that could happen, but it rarely did. It’s always been wink wink, especially in Hollywood.

You are the one with the persecution complex.

In Hollywood it was wink wink, but in much of the country homosexuals were treated like child molesters.

However, it is a choice to flaunt it even though the Word clearly speaks against it.

Many gay people would like to curb the excesses in gay pride parades or even end them altogether.

You are absolutely off base. It is totally illegal to fire someone for being gay. Where in the world are you getting that from???

It is quite legal in most states of the US to do so.

Even today, in most states it’s completely legal to fire someone for looking old, being overweight, being too pretty, being too short, wearing the wrong clothes, etc. You can be fired for any reason at all or no reason at all.

Let’s all those folks in those categories go have a parade - maybe we’ll feel better!

The first is actually illegal under age discrimination if the person is over 40.

Not only that, but just because you *could * legally fire someone for being gay, I highly doubt that you would. You’d have lawsuits and new people all over you in a minute. There are a lot of laws on the books that just aren’t acted on or enforced today.

The place were I work it has had same-sex insurance and anti-discrimination policies for at least 30 years. I believe this is true of most corporations, and public organizations as well.

Gays are simply not discriminated against at all anymore.

It is not as common in smaller companies.

It’s not just about being fired. Same Sex Attraction was enough for some one to be labeled as a sociopath with a number of other psychological disturbances. It wasn’t necessary to be sexually active for this labeling. SSA alone were enough. And once labeled as a sociopath quite a number of doors were closed. In part that label was dropped through the use of public demonstrations (many of which were protest).

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EqIIeGmhL2Q

I am aware of the DSM classification before years of research and published studies were discarded due to activities involving a radical gay group (see Frank Kameny) and closeted gays in the APA. A “vote” occurred in 1973 that reclassified Homosexuality. A reclassification by lobbying. The same thing occurred recently regarding the classification of Transgender persons - again, after lobbying. I suggest the following:

amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0691028370

I worked with gay/LGBT persons in the 1970s and 1980s, and you know what? I didn’t imagine for a second what they did on their own time. We got along. Their privacy was respected. When I went to the ER at the hospital where I worked - sexual orientation was not on the list of questions. “Stay out of my bedroom” was the phrase at the time. And when an employee underwent “sexual reassignment surgery,” there was no uproar. But today, LGBT persons have abandoned their privacy. Some accuse all not in line with their current thinking of being bigots, hate-filled and other names. Force will not convince anyone to like anyone.

Any harm done to homosexual persons either recently or in the past is the fault of the perpetrator, not everybody else. But that didn’t stop a celebrity from appearing on TV and telling everyone to “stop being homophobic.” Who was he talking to? 5 year old Bobby who can’t even spell yet? Or 80 year old women in nursing homes? Honestly. It was outrageous.

Ed

They are clearly flaunting there sexuality by mentioning significant others when discussing family life or having a photo of their significant other on their desk, why can’t the be like heterosexuals who never ever flaunt their sexuality, oh wait…

 

[PRmerger]

It hurts their feelings when we tell them that they sin.

When they have a parade, it makes them feel better.

Egg-zactly.

 

[Winterwolf00]

I struck out the word “scientific” because it can be argued the labeling in the mental health manual was not backed by scientific data. And just to be clear, I am not labeling them as sociopaths, but I’m presenting this as something the Gay community had to work against. The sociopath label could cost some one their occupation, position in society, and a lot more.

See DSM-I oI under Sociopathic Personality Disorder or DSM-II Sexual Deviation. If you don’t have access to an early edition DSM then see “Wikipedia” for the entry Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders and search for the word “sociopath.” I’ve encountered people that seem to lament over homosexuality being removed from the DSM but it seems it is less known how it was classified within there.

The gay rights movement in combination with the Evelyn Hooker study bringing the DSM classification into question is part of what lead to the removal from the the DSM of the sociopathic classification. Gays coming out in the public and allowing people to see that they are not the threatening group that previous labels would have painted them to be plays a role in combating some of the dehumanizing views.

That is one of the big reasons for coming out for both LGBT and atheists actually.
It’s easy to slander and attack the faceless boogeyman, it’s harder when your brother or sister comes out of the closet.

 

[Winterwolf00]

I don’t know how coming gay people being hanged is, but I agree the firing still happens today.

Sorry when I said in the old days I meant like WAY back when in the middle ages.
I believe Sodomy was a capital crime.

Nowadays that’s more restricted to Islamist nations.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Sorry when I said in the old days I meant like WAY back when in the middle ages.
I believe Sodomy was a capital crime.

Nowadays that’s more restricted to Islamist nations.

Not really, in England for example sodomy laws were introduced by Henry VIII after the Anglican schism which was definitely after the Middle Ages.

 

[Winterwolf00]

Not really, in England for example sodomy laws were introduced by Henry VIII after the Anglican schism which was definitely after the Middle Ages.

Really now? That’s interesting.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Really now? That’s interesting.

Not only that but it was a thinly veiled mechanism Henry VIII used to seize Church property. In the 1950s the Catholic English bishops started supporting the abolish of sodomy laws.

 

[inocente]

It hurts their feelings when we tell them that they sin.

When they have a parade, it makes them feel better.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but a non-Catholic won’t care what you say, and opinion polls show a majority of American Catholics approve of gay marriage, so even they don’t agree it’s a sin.

As for parades, Carnival is a mainly Catholic tradition, and it’s often rather hedonistic. People dress up, they dance, they parade, they have a good time. Just like a gay parade. It makes them feel better.

 

[ricmat]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but a non-Catholic won’t care what you say, and opinion polls show a majority of American Catholics approve of gay marriage, so even they don’t agree it’s a sin.

So they don’t agree it’s a sin. BUT it still bothers them greatly that we tell them that it’s a sin. It bothers them that they don’t have the approval of all of society (even though a majority might agree with them).

When we stand before God in judgement (which of course most won’t admit will ever happen), God will not be impressed that 54.6% of California voters said that gay marriage is OK.

The most loving thing that any Christian, Baptists included, can do for anyone it to tell them the truth about sin, and try to save their souls.

As for parades, Carnival is a mainly Catholic tradition, and it’s often rather hedonistic. People dress up, they dance, they parade, they have a good time. Just like a gay parade. It makes them feel better.

Right. Parades are to make people feel better. Thank you for confirming my point!

 

[Charlemagne_III]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but a non-Catholic won’t care what you say, and opinion polls show a majority of American Catholics approve of gay marriage, so even they don’t agree it’s a sin.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

The Catholic Church is not governed by opinion polls.

Do Baptists now approve of sodomy? Is there a poll of Baptists that says they do?

Do you approve of sodomy?

If so, how would you square that with biblical condemnations of sodomy?

Romans 1:18-32:
“The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. While claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes. Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents. They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.”

I Corinthians 6:9-10
“Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

Jude: 5-7
“I wish to remind you, although you know all things, that [the] Lord who once saved a people from the land of Egypt later destroyed those who did not believe. The angels too, who did not keep to their own domain but deserted their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains, in gloom, for the judgment of the great day. Likewise, Sodom, Gomorrah, and the surrounding towns, which, in the same manner as they, indulged in sexual promiscuity and practiced unnatural vice, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.”