Why are there mutterings of discontent within the Catholic clergy towards our Pope?

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So if noone is in hell there is no purpose of following Church teaching then or even going to Mass is what I take. What difference does it make if we all end up in heaven anyway?
 
Unbaptized children? What about Antipods? Lol
Don’t short sell hope! And Judgement of Mercy of course.
Honestly, it isn’t a gauntlet. God loves his creation
 
Why are there mutterings among the clergy about our Pope? Probably for the same broad reasons that there have likely been mutterings by clergy about the pope for every one of the previous popes.

Ecclesiastes 1:9: “What has been, that will be; what has been done, that will be done. Nothing is new uder the sun.”
And let us not forget about the mutterings of discontent among the clerics when Jesus came on the scene.
 
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I need only read passages about Jesus to know he was quite gentle with almost everyone
That was a striking take away from when I did the Spiritual Exercises about 9 years ago. Contemplating on gospel events each day for that 30 weeks, left me knowing this Jesus the Apostles knew and his kindness and gentleness. Also, I felt the essence of what He condemned in the Pharisees and I felt genuine remorse for ways I was like them in the past.
 
My sentence was really that dense? I will 'splain it to you: Judas and definitive.
 
I thought the muttering was about priests and popes; apparently we have widened the range of people and positions.

Nor do I necessarily consider muttering priests to be Pharisees and/or Scribes. Some may be; some may not be.
 
No I was just pointing out that ‘mutterings of discontent’ does not necessarily indicate the problem is all with the the mutteree.
 
You cannot read the Sermon on the Mount and not grasp that Christ’s mission was grounded in love
 
As for Judas in liturgical prayers, one example I know is the collect of Maundy Thursday in 1962 missal:
O God, from Whom Judas received the punishment of his guilt, and the thief the reward of his confession: grant unto us the full fruit of Thy clemency; that even as in His Passion our Lord Jesus Christ gave to each retribution according to his merits, so having cleared away our former guilt, He may bestow on us the grace of His Resurrection.
St. Chrysostom’s liturgy has the following troparion:
Of Thy Mystic Supper receive me today, O Son of God, as a partaker; for I will not speak of the mystery to Thine enemies; I will not kiss Thee as did Judas; but as the thief, I will confess Thee: Lord, remember me in Thy kingdom.
Liturgical tradition presents Judas and the Good Thief as opposites.
 
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Their actions that are spoken of are opposites. No doubt. But they were both sinners as well.
The thief is not there out of Christian virtue. Judas committed the worst sin in history.
The prayers? Prayers of aspiration.
I cannot help to think that Jesus was generally kind and gentle with sinners.
Except!
People who seemed to lack humility to recognize they are sinners also. At some point. When they are not pointing the finger at others.
 
Unbaptized children? What about Antipods? Lol
Don’t short sell hope! And Judgement of Mercy of course.
Honestly, it isn’t a gauntlet. God loves his creation
That is why hope is expressed not certainty, for we do not have any revelation to cover that case.
 
That’s why salvation is not for all sinners, but those who turn from sin and receive life from Jesus.
 
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