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Why are they still protesting? What do they want?
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Freddy
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That directly contradicts you saying that he was invited because he was Hispanic.My son was an a or b student. No other reason would he be invited.
And the fact that you believe that everyone is created equal has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that a problem exists. Which you seem not to accept. Which, again I will state, is part of the problem.
We can’t solve problems if we don’t accept that they exist.
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Hume
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Good post.
I’m of a mind (that can be changed) that we’ve put in place about all we can from an institutional perspective. The only thing I’d like to add on is to radically reduce which crimes merit jail and become more creative on how we punish crime.
Jail/prison is enormously disruptive to the continuity of success for an individual.
I think a monster factor is black fatherhood. In Mississippi, 4 of 5 black babies are born to unwed women. That kid isn’t going to have the solid launch pad I had growing up. It’ll have fewer chances for success and the margin for shocks and error will be much less generous than the one I enjoyed.
It sucks, but at some point they’ve got to engage the system that exists rather than wait for it to roll out the carpet to them.
I’m of a mind (that can be changed) that we’ve put in place about all we can from an institutional perspective. The only thing I’d like to add on is to radically reduce which crimes merit jail and become more creative on how we punish crime.
Jail/prison is enormously disruptive to the continuity of success for an individual.
I think a monster factor is black fatherhood. In Mississippi, 4 of 5 black babies are born to unwed women. That kid isn’t going to have the solid launch pad I had growing up. It’ll have fewer chances for success and the margin for shocks and error will be much less generous than the one I enjoyed.
It sucks, but at some point they’ve got to engage the system that exists rather than wait for it to roll out the carpet to them.
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StudentMI
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I know this is going to seem odd, but I did see an argument in favor of bringing back flogging.The only thing I’d like to add on is to radically reduce which crimes merit jail and become more creative on how we punish crime.
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Hume
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My innate reaction was recoil, but I’ll keep an open mind on that.
Forced public service or even just simple public shaming has been used recently to some good effect in some jurisdictions.
I think the biggest obstacle to its proliferation is the prison industry. No one makes any money on that.
Forced public service or even just simple public shaming has been used recently to some good effect in some jurisdictions.
I think the biggest obstacle to its proliferation is the prison industry. No one makes any money on that.
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Hume
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As a statement of fact, affirmative action absolutely positively exists.
For example when my brother-in-law went on to his maxillofacial surgery program, there were slots reserved exclusively for minorities.
Not saying I agree or disagree here. Just saying it exists.
For example when my brother-in-law went on to his maxillofacial surgery program, there were slots reserved exclusively for minorities.
Not saying I agree or disagree here. Just saying it exists.
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Freddy
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I think that any further discussion would be pointless. Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.Blacks set thier own fate by protesting it’s a black issue.
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Peeps
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Of course not. But this isn’t the 50s or 60s. It’s been 60-70 years since racism was a legal American way of life for many (but not all) people.
That’s my point–since the Civil Rights Act, and other state and local laws have been passed, discimination based on color or race is now illegal and actionable. Obviously that doesn’t stop haters, just like laws against drunk driving don’t stop people from driving buzzed, or laws against murder don’t stop people from murdering other people. But most people in the United States are law-abiding and will not deliberately disciminate against anyone.
Do they unknowingly do or say things that sound “racist” to someone of another race or nationality? Of course. We all do that. But it’s done in ignorance, and hopefully those who find it upsetting will be decent enough to speak up in private and let someone know that they should consider not saying or doing that action that some find offensive. The law is on their side in 2020.
You want to know how I was raised? My father, just a simple farmer and pipe-fitter with a GED that he earned in the Army, started buying duplexes in our city when he was in his 30s, a young man. Sure, it took money out of the family spending budget, but he was wise enough to see that in the long run, it would provide income for him and his family (and it does, even though he died in 2013–my brother and I are still benefiting from those investments in real estate).
My father was the first person in the city to rent an apartment on the “good side of town” (which was a euphemism for “white side of town”) to a black family.
He told my mother (who agreed entirely with the decision) that he didn’t care what color anyone was as long as they paid their rent regularly (and in case anyone is wondering, the older and more financially-comfortable he got, the more often he was easy on his renters when they hit a hard time–he would tell them to skip the rent and plant a flower garden or shovel the snow instead).
He got death threats over the phone back then when he rented that apartment to the black family. He was working a second shift at the time, so my mother had to field the phone calls at our house, and boy, did she tell those people off!! Oof! (Peeps inherited some of that quick tongue!)
I hope this story (true story) helps you get a better feeling for where Peeps is coming from here. I want justice and an end to all hatred. But I believe the laws are already there, and that we are naive if we think that a law will change hearts. I also believe that riots, looting, and violence will only serve to HARDEN hearts and make prejudiced people MORE prejudiced.
Finally, I believe that those who are striving for change need to reign in the public emotional displays and present action plans that are actually doable; e.g., campaign lawmakers to require towns and cities to add “body cameras” for all police to the budget that pays for their police force.
That’s my point–since the Civil Rights Act, and other state and local laws have been passed, discimination based on color or race is now illegal and actionable. Obviously that doesn’t stop haters, just like laws against drunk driving don’t stop people from driving buzzed, or laws against murder don’t stop people from murdering other people. But most people in the United States are law-abiding and will not deliberately disciminate against anyone.
Do they unknowingly do or say things that sound “racist” to someone of another race or nationality? Of course. We all do that. But it’s done in ignorance, and hopefully those who find it upsetting will be decent enough to speak up in private and let someone know that they should consider not saying or doing that action that some find offensive. The law is on their side in 2020.
You want to know how I was raised? My father, just a simple farmer and pipe-fitter with a GED that he earned in the Army, started buying duplexes in our city when he was in his 30s, a young man. Sure, it took money out of the family spending budget, but he was wise enough to see that in the long run, it would provide income for him and his family (and it does, even though he died in 2013–my brother and I are still benefiting from those investments in real estate).
My father was the first person in the city to rent an apartment on the “good side of town” (which was a euphemism for “white side of town”) to a black family.
He told my mother (who agreed entirely with the decision) that he didn’t care what color anyone was as long as they paid their rent regularly (and in case anyone is wondering, the older and more financially-comfortable he got, the more often he was easy on his renters when they hit a hard time–he would tell them to skip the rent and plant a flower garden or shovel the snow instead).
He got death threats over the phone back then when he rented that apartment to the black family. He was working a second shift at the time, so my mother had to field the phone calls at our house, and boy, did she tell those people off!! Oof! (Peeps inherited some of that quick tongue!)
I hope this story (true story) helps you get a better feeling for where Peeps is coming from here. I want justice and an end to all hatred. But I believe the laws are already there, and that we are naive if we think that a law will change hearts. I also believe that riots, looting, and violence will only serve to HARDEN hearts and make prejudiced people MORE prejudiced.
Finally, I believe that those who are striving for change need to reign in the public emotional displays and present action plans that are actually doable; e.g., campaign lawmakers to require towns and cities to add “body cameras” for all police to the budget that pays for their police force.
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JimG
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This reminds me of the Moynihan Report written in 1965 in which the author called for national action to improve the state of minority families, which were increasingly disintegrating. He was pretty much denounced for calling attention to the problem, which has now spread to families all across society.
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MamaJewel
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And this is a major part of the problem we face in American society.In a backwards state like mine EVERY January is dedicated to Black history month. There are parades and speeches and teachers in every school teach the children that it isn’t right to treat people differently because of the color of their skin.
The United States is the great nation it is because of the contributions of black individuals and the black community. Yet the very race that helped make this nation awesome are relegated to one month of historical focus when they should be incorporated into the daily mainstream of US history during the academic year.
Um, I need a safety plan and the police aren’t going to be apart of it because they have shown their butts twice now when I was a victim or my child was a victim of DV. I love the cops that I personally know in my community, but there are some really bad apples that are ruining it for everyone.Who should I tell them to call when they are in trouble and their parents can’t help them?
That said, I’m a white woman whose (black) DV advocate tells me to run the risk with dealing with the cops should my abuser turn on me. But really, I’d rather be dead or injured from my abuser than go through the crap with the cops, who twice now have not followed agency protocols during DV situations.
I’m not saying to defund the the police, but I don’t feel safe.
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MamaJewel
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Yes I am.MamaJewel, are you also upset at the black on black violence?
That said, black on black violence is not the focus of this topic. I’m not going to condone poor policing because there black on black violence issues in US black communities and throughout parts of the globe.
Hopefully, in the form of an insurance check since it is a part of doing business.Where is the justice?
Speaking of justice, the issue of police brutality is an issue for all business owners, especially black-owned and other minority owned companies that typically have fewer resources of capital and a lack of affluent investors.
When police beat or kill a suspect and it leads to looting, rioting, and destruction of those minority owned businesses, the chances for the minority owned business to make a comeback is greatly reduced because of financial issues like insurance, capital, and angel investors.
Big box marts like Target, Wally World, Sportsmen Paradise, etc have shareholders to fall back on. That little business man doesn’t, especially a minority owner who put their home and personal credit on the line for their company.
I hope you’re starting to see a picture of the exponential effects of long-term, on-going institutionalized racism.
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esieffe
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They want:
An end to profiling, harsh tactics, needless deaths - I agree, it is way past time for actions on this not words.
They also want to dismantle police departments. This is absurd. Laughable. They will have to fence off places like Chicago.
An end to profiling, harsh tactics, needless deaths - I agree, it is way past time for actions on this not words.
They also want to dismantle police departments. This is absurd. Laughable. They will have to fence off places like Chicago.
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MamaJewel
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for which statement
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