Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

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SeekSalvation:
Not what political ideology I support. If that means I don’t vote…so be it!
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https://www.ewtn.com/vote/download/moralguide.pdf
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Perhaps you need to find the ‘EWTN Mortal Sin Guide’ to. I’ll stick to God’s Laws over man’s ‘intellectual pride’ beliefs. Thank you.
There are acts which, in and of themselves, independently of circumstances and intentions, are always gravely illicit by reason of their object; such as blasphemy and perjury, murder and adultery. ( CCC 1756) . . . There are concrete acts that it is always wrong to choose because their choice entails a disorder of the will, i.e., a moral evil (CCC 1761).
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Biden is supportive of the act of abortion though, which we all know is condemned by the Church as not properly valuing human life.

Trump deserves to be voted out of office, yes. But that does not mean Biden deserves the Presidency. Voting for him is to enable the continuation of an act that kills millions of innocent babies each year.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The only thing he can be accused of is not wanting to make it illegal. That’s a bad thing too, but it is not the same thing as active support.
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–Biden actively supports abortion.
  1. His own web site says he wants to “codify Roe v. Wade,” i.e. pass an affirmative legislation creating a right to abortion.
  2. Hs web site says he wants to end the Hyde Amendment, which bars the use of federal funds for abortion.
  3. His web site says he wants to restore funding to Planned Parenthood.
  4. He has the endorsement of NARAL.
  5. He can be expected to appoint judges to federal courts who actively support abortion.
LeafByNiggle said:
What should be more relevant is whether the number of abortions will go up if Biden is elected. I don’t think so.
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–You have no evidentiary basis to “not think so.” The number of abortions will doubtlessly rise if PP is funded and the Hyde Amendment is repealed, and if elected Biden clearly intends to seek such results. It is pure wishful thinking, unsupported by any evidence, to believe abortions won’t rise under a Biden presidency.

This also ignores the strong possibility (perhaps probability) that Biden cannot complete his term and is replaced by an even more radical pro-abortion Vice President, i.e., Kamala Harris.
 
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PrayForMe said:
Biden is supportive of the act of abortion though,
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If by support you mean passive acceptance of others doing it, then yes. But that is not the usual meaning of “support”. For all I know, Biden might detest the act. He doesn’t say. But what matters for me is not so much one’s nominal support for abortion as how the number of abortions might change. So far I have very little correlation between abortion numbers and the platform of the President or his party.
 
tafan2 said:
The Church does not require us to vote for a morally objectionable candidate. When all coices are such, we can abstain from voting.
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If there are two morally objectionable candidates you vote for the one that will do less harm.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
For all I know, Biden might detest the act. He doesn’t say.
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He DOES say he supports it - over and over again, a dozen ways. He says it in wanting to overturn the Hyde Amendment; fund Planned Parenthood; codify Roe, etc.

It appears you just don’t want to hear him, so you claim he hasn’t said it. But he has.
 
Elizabeth3 said:
Oy. He said it at the Tulsa rally…in jest. I heard it. I knew what he meant. I did not at any time take seriously that he told his team to slow down testing because a lot of the spike in US cases is due to increased testing. He was making a point at how the media keeps fear mongering over numbers but never gives a breakdown of what those numbers are overall. They lump those who test positive for the antibody, meaning they are not currently sick, in with the numbers who are currently sick and that makes the numbers inflated as to active cases.

Look. Most of us “unejimicated deplorables” understand what Trump means when he says certain things especially in the context of a rally. When he’s speaking at a rally to his supporters, he’s not trying to be some great statesman with polished speeches. He"s talking like he’d talk around the table in a diner in anywhere USA. He’s shooting the breeze. We know that. We know he’s not trying to give only scientific facts. We know when he pulls the leg of the media and what will make them go crazy with their spin. Whether you agree with it or not, it is what it is. Many of us love him for it. We love him because he’s flawed and unpolished and because the policies he wants to implement line up with our values. Many of us are sick of being talked down to by politicians and media elites. Many of us get nauseated by most of the DC slick, cheesy politicians.
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I WANT my country to be led by someone who is smarter than me (and smarter than 99÷ of the rest of the population) and not afraid to show it.

I do agree, though, that too many smart and/or powerful people talk down to others.

However, there is a big difference between being an adult who can communicate with (for example) a child in a way the child understands, and being an adult who simply has the mind of a child.

I would NOT assume the latter is well-qualified to make adult decisions that affect the child - or anyone - although they almost certainly would appeal more to the child.

And I am not convinced of Trumps genius (stable or not) to assume that his appeal is simply based on exceptional communication skills.
 
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I’m curious - are you convinced Joe Biden is even mentally competent at all?

He’s hiding from the media; makes a million gaffes when he speaks; slurs his words; staggers through friendly interviews only by using notes and a teleprompter, etc., and certainly appears not in control of his faculties.
 
He explicitly has said repeatedly that he supports abortion being legalized in America. He did say during the 2012 VP debate that he “accepts what Catholicism teaches” on abortion, but his public, political stance is acceptance of the act of abortion.
 
F_Marturana said:
Was your daughter actually told that it was prohibited to distribute valentine’s to grad students?

I’ve never heard of that.
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No, she wasn’t told. But there are a lot of things that professors at liberal universities are not told–and they do them—and get fired.

The fact is, St. Valentine is a Catholic saint, and his holiday, in spite of being taken over by Hallmark and Hersheys, is a Christian feast day, and nowadays, all it takes is one student who is upset and stressed by “Christians” to get a well-meaning teacher in trouble. For that matter, the “Christian” aspect doesn’t even have to come up–if a student was traumatized while growing up when he/she didn’t get any Valentines in his/her Valentine Box in grade school, and years later, a college professor reminds that student of that terrible incident–he/she could have a panic attack or worse, and that would be grounds for getting their teacher in trouble.

College students these days are pretty fragile. Remember all the students who had to have “comfort animals” and take cover in “Comfort Rooms” after Donald Trump won the election?

Again, I recomment Dr. Twenge’s excellent book on the I-Gen. She has lots of examples in that book of fragile I-Generation kids.
 
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SeekSalvation said:
Perhaps you need to find the ‘EWTN Mortal Sin Guide’ to. I’ll stick to God’s Laws over man’s ‘intellectual pride’ beliefs. Thank you.
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You do not get it. By abstaining you cede the possibility of even moving in the right direction.
 
I didn’t make any references to his intelligence. The ability to talk to the common man person-to-person is something sorely lacking in the majority of politicians. I think he both knows how to play the game with the elites in terms of business deals, networking etc and through his working with builders and contractors, he’s comfortable communicating with the average Joe. If you want to call that “having the mind of a child” or compare talking to the average Joe with talking to children, I would have to disagree.
 
PrayForMe said:
This I agree with. Much of the depression I have struggling with recently has been due to all this COVID social distancing and the lockdowns.
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I’m so sorry! I know so many people who are struggling with depression because of the COVID pandemic. It’s so stressful. And it’s frightening, too–we see the stories about people who were fine one week and in the hospital the next.

I hope you feel better. I’m saying a prayer for you, and hope that the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, will bring comfort and peace to you this week!
 
I actually Trump is very intelligent, maybe a genius.

As an example, how many people do any of us know that could turn a hole in the ground in New York City into a 50-story luxury high rise, and make a huge profit, once, let alone a dozen times? The number of astute businesspeople who couldn’t do it once is staggering; the fact he did it many times speaks to the man’s competence.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
And how many babies did that voting record kill? Or conversely, how many babies did Trump save from abortion? I suspect the answer is zero for both questions.
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Really?

Just reversing the Mexico policy had to save some. Removing Title funding had to ave some. Encouraging pro-lifers had to save some. Yet to see his SCOTUS effect on abortions. C’mon…
 
Once the “no true Scotsman” fallicy is invoked, that signals the end of the conversation.
 
Once again, Leaf, you’re making this up as you go, to justify your dislike of Trump.

Joe Biden has advocated constantly in favor of abortion with no restrictions. To you, that does nothing bad, individually or collectively.

Donald Trump has advocated constantly in favor of the pro-life movement. To you, that does nothing good, individually or collectively.

Something else you’re forgetting: The Presidency is in fact a bully pulpit and always will be. Never underestimate the power of words spoen by the President of the US. Many young people decided “oral sex wasn’t really sex” when Bill Clinton said as much. Abortion is the same. There are a lot of impressionable people who think “if it’s good enough for the president it’s good enough for me.”
 
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VonDerTann said:
As an example, how many people do any of us know that could turn a hole in the ground in New York City into a 50-story luxury high rise, and make a huge profit, once, let alone a dozen times?
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This is not because of his genius. It is from his ability to convince others to do what benefits him, so that all his gains come from other people’s losses. This is same talent possessed by a con man, and we don’t call such people geniuses either.
 
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