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Rand Paul is one of about 3 people I can think of who might persuade me to vote.
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buffalo
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I will repeat an earlier post where I criticized Trump for relying on too few “health care experts”. Sen Paul agrees and so does Fauci.
Trump disagreed with the entire room who were against shutting down China air travel. Advisors advise, gather the information and then a decision has to be made. Advisors aren’t always right. And if you would have listened to Paul’s rant, you would have heard him say central planning for 320 million is a problem by too few. Try again to listen. It is a fatal conceit for any one person…
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So you and @pnewton keep making the point that if Trump had implemented this or that as other countries (who have had better outcomes) have, that we would have a quantifiable better outcome than we do at the moment. But that is because it’s assumed that the better outcome was due to this or that policy while ignoring many, many other variables.
When I ask
The response is, “Oh, only God would know that.”
If that is true, again I ask if only God would know, then how can the claim being made that our response is a failure and lives would have been saved be made? Don’t respond about better outcomes from other countries. With the variables that go into the numbers differing from country to country, you cannot with any certainty claim that definitively the US is a failure and lives would have been saved.
Another question-what recommendations from “public health officials” have been recommended for months that the US has not implemented? …and who are these public health officials?
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And that is why we vote. I think the evidence is overwhelming. You can think everything was unavoidable for the United States. That is also why, historically, incumbents are replaced during times of economic downturn. Perhaps that will hold true for this crisis as well. We all vote our opinion in the matter. We will know in four months the way most view President Trump.
While I acknowledge every country is different, a leader must work with those he leads. When he brings his country in dead last by a long way, which is how I view our outstanding COVID numbers, then is it normal to question that leadership with no other reason. Of course, as I have said, I have a lot of reasons, but each point individually might be debated.
Oh, some one asked me earlier if I feel the same way about Governor Abbott and I gave his failure. I will also add the Abbott failed to close state beaches, which I think will have repercussions in a month or so. If our goal is to keep production and business up and running, then convenience and frivolity should have always and in every way taken a back seat to safety. It did not always do so in Texas. It never did so nationally.
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EssentialBeing
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Very well said, the perception that:
Is simply not true… as LeafByNiggle pointed out
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Elizabeth3
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What evidence are you looking at? Does that evidence account for all the variable so that it’s an apples-to-apples comparison?
I never made this claim. My claim is that we don’t know anything for sure because of the variables. I’m not the one saying our response was a failure and that a quantifiable amount of lives would have been saved without evidence other than hard data that does not account for those variables.
So it’s your opinion that we are dead last by your analysis of the numbers and you feel it’s normal to question leadership on that analysis without taking other reasons into account. That explains a lot as to how you claim to know with certainty that if we had implemented this or that policy we would have had a quantifiable amount of saved lives over the numbers we have now. It’s based on opinion looking at a small set of data that is compared to other data that is based on a large number of variables as to the numbers that are ultimately presented. It’s also based on numbers in the midst of a highly changing and ongoing situation that hasn’t ended yet.
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puer.dei
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That would be because that’s not true.
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buffalo
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it was true when it was said.
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Dobby
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As the daughter of career Army Officer, I will be voting for Biden - no hesitation. Trump must go.
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Peaceable
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There are more Catholic Democratic senators than there are Catholic Republican senators, and many Christian leaders are Democrats. This seems to contradict the idea that the Democratic Party is anti-Christian, or that Catholics are poorly represented in the Democratic party.
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buffalo
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Elizabeth3
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They are CINO’S…
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Elizabeth3
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posted at the same time…great minds think alike. 
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twf
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You really enjoy the Party kool-aid, eh?
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VonDerTann
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Do you think your brief, snarky sarcasm convinces me or anyone else that I’m incorrect? It does not.
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Peeps
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Of course I agree with this. But I’m not sure why you directed it at me. LeafbyNiggle presented an opinion that Pres. Trump has not given women what they need to be able to choose to bear their child instead of having it killed and I responded.Peeps:
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I do agree that God will work in the hearts of all women to convince them to go through a crisis pregnancy and give birth to their child.
But I also think LeafByNiggle makes a good point that often, women feel hopeless and powerless when they discover that they are pregnant and didn’t expect to be pregnant. We who are Christians and others who hold a pro-life viewpoint need to work hard to make sure that women have the resources they need to be able to bear their children.
In other words, the decision to bear a child is not just a woman’s decision, but all of society’s decision as we empower her to be able to go through the pregnancy and the birth.
I think the difference between Peeps and LeafByNiggle is that I believe that even if the government doesn’t supply all the needs of expectant mothers, Christians should be doing that work.
On the other hand, I do think that the government SHOULD, for the sake of the country, provide practical help to women who are pregnant to make sure they are healthy and safe, and are able to bear a healthy child. This is for the good of society, the common welfare, and all the other things that our Constitution and laws uphold.
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–Kind of agree, but it’s complex.
I say this because there are a million resources but some on the left always want more. It’s like my argument that for some, you can never be “pro-life enough.” For some, you can never do enough for a pregnant woman.
I remember engaging a woman once on a pro-abortion website. She wanted all sorts of “resources,” but after some back and forth, it became clear that what she was advocating for was essentially a free, paid-off home and enough money that she never had to work again, basically as payment for bearing and raising a child she clearly didn’t want. That sort of attitude is counterproductive: I’m all for giving resources, but for some (perhaps many?) it’s never enough. I posit that when someone is as demanding as she was, they don’t really want “resources,” so much as they want a life/lifestyle they don’t have. Then, when this lifestyle isn’t handed to them, they scream that pro-lifers are hypocritical, don’t really care, etc.
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Peeps
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Have bills come up in Congress that President Trump has not supported, or has vetoed when Congress passed the bills and brought them to him to sign? Can you list any of them? I am not aware of any bills regarding pre-natal care and delivery services that a Democratic House has passed and sent to a Republican Senate that have made it to the President’s desk, but then, a lot of this kind of politics is never reported in the media that I read and listen to. (I read the local paper and listen to NBC news on TV–and that’s pretty much it. I also get pro-life newsletters from a couple of organizations, but I easily could have missed these Congressional upsdates).
Please let me know. I agree with you that a pro-life President should support this. For a long time, I have believed even if we do not have a national system of healthcare, that at least pre-natal care and delivery services should be paid for for ALL women, rich or poor, by the federal government for the good our country, as we have been in a population decline for decades now, and because every life is precious and we need their presence in our country to help continue to make America strong and a good place to live.
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