Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

[F_Marturana]

The outbreaks in Florida are bad:

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/44-florida-hospitals-at-icu-capacity.html

The above is supposed to be a link to “Becker’s hospital review”. Not sure why it looks like a link to CAF.

I read that Texas children’s hospital is admitting adult covid patients.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Texas-Children-s-admitting-adult-patients-because-15359004.php

 

[Elizabeth3]

67% are not financial.

This is true if only going by the table I shared. I chose that particular one to highlight all the different reasons the women gave. The way the questions were posed and the conclusion which was that 64% of women had multiple/complex reasons for making their decisions, showed that financial reasons were the most given answer but that the 60% of other reasons also went into the decision. I think by this analysis anyway, just paying for pre-natal care, birth and delivery would probably not be enough to significantly reduce abortions but a strong economy with low unemployment may make a statistical difference as it can improve many other areas of life. The many other reasons cited such as bad timing, partner related reasons etc would require tackling this from many other angles which we do but maybe we need to find avenues that are more effective than the ones currently available.

Here are the study questions

" All participants were asked two open-ended questions about their reasons for seeking an abortion. The first question asked “What are the reasons that you decided to have an abortion?” followed by a prompt asking for any other reasons until the respondent says that is all. The second questions asked “What would you say was the main reason you decided to have an abortion?” Generally participants were not able to narrow their answers to one reason and sometimes even gave additional reasons to this last question making it difficult to discern a “main” reason. Therefore, the answers to both questions were combined to identify all reasons given by respondents for seeking abortion."

Women’s reasons for seeking an abortion fell into 11 broad themes. The predominant themes identified as reasons for seeking abortion included financial reasons (40%), timing (36%), partner related reasons (31%), and the need to focus on other children (29%). Most women reported multiple reasons for seeking an abortion crossing over several themes (64%). Using mixed effects multivariate logistic regression analyses, we identified the social and demographic predictors of the predominant themes women gave for seeking an abortion.

Conclusion
“Study findings demonstrate that the reasons women seek abortion are complex and interrelated, similar to those found in previous studies. While some women stated only one factor that contributed to their desire to terminate their pregnancies, others pointed to a myriad of factors that, cumulatively, resulted in their seeking abortion. As indicated by the differences we observed among women’s reasons by individual characteristics, women seek abortion for reasons related to their circumstances, including their socioeconomic status, age, health, parity and marital status.”

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Artificially closing the so called racial wealth gap is nonsense.

Why? It was artificially opened up. Why can’t it be artificially closed?

Civil rights? Who does not have them?

Well, George Floyd and Bryonna Taylor, to mention two.

USA is a low emittter in the world.

We are second only to China, and that is because China has so many more people.

SNAP is protected now for those who need it. A thriving economy means less people need it and the number receiving these benefits should go down.

Trump cuts funds to SNAP. Having the number go down because the need is less is one thing. Making the number go down artificially is another.

Climate change - before I take it seriously, someone has to answer this question…

If the Democrats win I won’t have to wait for you to take it seriously.

 

[buffalo]

Why? It was artificially opened up. Why can’t it be artificially closed?

Without addressing the root cause it only exacerbates it.

 

[Elizabeth3]

The Church doesn’t object for government paid healthcare. If She did, then she would object to every other country that has it.

Who claimed that it did?

Our US model is that most people insured are insured through their jobs.

Yes, I know this but the discussion was the gov’t covering care for all pregnant women rich or poor not only the uninsured.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Why? It was artificially opened up. Why can’t it be artificially closed?

Without addressing the root cause it only exacerbates it.

The root cause was the way the wealth gap was artificially opened up in the first place.

 

[buffalo]

Well, George Floyd and Bryonna Taylor, to mention two.

This is not a civil right issue, it is a bad cop issue. Any population will always have some bad apples.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Well, George Floyd and Bryonna Taylor, to mention two.

This is not a civil right issue, it is a bad cop issue. Any population will always have some bad apples.

That statistics say otherwise. If you list all the “bad cop” instances, you will see that the majority of them have been against people of color.

 

[Elizabeth3]

FYI, what the law must reflect concerning abortion has never been defined as dogma. This is factual. Perhaps this is a point of ignorance.

So you think the Church supports laws that uphold abortion just because it has never been defined as a dogma?

 

[Ridgerunner]

In Trump’s case, I doubt he seriously cares about aborted babies, but he does care about the votes of people who do care about those babies.

You don’t know this, of course, but if it’s so, so what? This is like criticizing an auto mechanic because he only cares about doing a good job on your car, and doesn’t care about your religion.

I will believe he is pro-life when he suggests offering free pre-natal and delivery services for any pregnant woman, regardless of complications and regardless of ability to pay.

In other words, you equate being prolife with socialism.

existential threat I believe is posed by Trump

What would that be, concretely? No vague talking points, please. Let’s see, big war in the Middle East? No, that doesn’t seem to be part of his plan. Reinstituting slavery? No, nothing going on with that. Supporting the killing children, and with my money besides? No, that’s Biden.

 

[buffalo]

Trump cuts funds to SNAP. Having the number go down because the need is less is one thing. Making the number go down artificially is another.

Record low unemployment means less need for SNAP. That is a great accomplishment. Is your claim these job and wage growth numbers are false? Lowest unemployment rate ever for minorities is false? These are prime indicators of Americans achieving for themselves.

CO2 is not a pollutant. What is the optimum amount of CO2 in the atmosphere?

 

[whatistrue]

This is not a civil right issue, it is a bad cop issue.

The bad cops violated the prisoner’s civil rights. Civil rights issue.

Remember hearing about the early use of the Civil Rights Act by Federal authorities to prosecute “bad cops” who literally got away with murder because the state/local authorities wouldn’t prosecute or deliberately stacked juries wouldn’t convict?

It all ties together - bad cops create civil rights violations, and an environment where civil rights are not stringently protected breeds bad cops.

 

[buffalo]

That statistics say otherwise. If you list all the “bad cop” instances, you will see that the majority of them have been against people of color.

Let’s investigate:

A new study debunks a common myth.

The authors, faculty at Michigan State University and the University of Maryland at College Park, created a database of 917 officer-involved fatal shootings in 2015 from more than 650 police departments. Fifty-five percent of the victims were white, 27 percent were black, and 19 percent were Hispanic. Between 90 and 95 percent of the civilians shot by officers in 2015 were attacking police or other citizens; 90 percent were armed with a weapon. So-called threat-misperception shootings, in which an officer shoots an unarmed civilian after mistaking a cellphone, say, for a gun, were rare.

Significance​

There is widespread concern about racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings and that these disparities reflect discrimination by White officers. Existing databases of fatal shootings lack information about officers, and past analytic approaches have made it difficult to assess the contributions of factors like crime. We create a comprehensive database of officers involved in fatal shootings during 2015 and predict victim race from civilian, officer, and county characteristics. We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings, and White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers. Instead, race-specific crime strongly predicts civilian race. This suggests that increasing diversity among officers by itself is unlikely to reduce racial disparity in police shootings. https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

However, more white cops die from being shot by minorities,

and over 7,000 black on black shootings last year. Again, what is the root cause?

 

[buffalo]

The bad cops violated the prisoner’s civil rights. Civil rights issue.

A black cop shoots a white or black citizen. Civil rights issue? No, the victims all have this legal protection.

 

[pnewton]

Bear in mind that Houston has the largest hospital bed capacity of anywhere in the world. It may be full by the end of the month. That said, the numbers are plateauing, albeit at a very high level, and that has only been for about a week.

So you think the Church supports laws that uphold abortion just because it has never been defined as a dogma?

Absolutely the Church supports those laws. Not agreeing with that position, nonetheless, is not heresy, even if it might be, as you said, not letting an informed Catholic conscience guide actions. He is not a heretic. Now if you want to call what he has done in regard to supporting abortion scandalous to the Catholic faith, I would totally agree. Biden’s actions on abortion should not be supported by Catholics.

 

[buffalo]

Why? It was artificially opened up. Why can’t it be artificially closed?

Would you be in favor of scrapping Johnson’s great society war on poverty that spent a trillion and poverty is higher than when it started?

 

[buffalo]

Now if you want to call what he has done in regard to supporting abortion scandalous to the Catholic faith, I would totally agree. Biden’s actions on abortion should not be supported by Catholics.

Hello, he and others have made the faustian bargain. Money, power, status gained by the deal with the devil. Justifying this is nonsense.

 

[whatistrue]

A black cop shoots a white or black citizen. Civil rights issue?

If they were shot because of their race, then yes. Also how about addressing the more significant portions of the post you are quoting?

 

[buffalo]

If they were shot because of their race, then yes. Also how about addressing the more significant portions of the post you are quoting?

A black cop shoots a black is racism? oh my

 

[buffalo]

Food Stamp Usage Drops Half Million in Single Month​

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The USDA data reveals that a total of 587,792 people discontinued their participation in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) between December 2017 and January 2018.