Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

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Have you ever met someone who wanted to get pregnant so they could have food on the table and a roof over their heads?

Out of charity, it is best that I end conversing with you for now.
 
farronwolf said:
So you say. Who are you to make that decision?
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The 14th amendment was meant for illegal search and seizure. It had no intention of creating the right to privacy for an abortion.

Further, after considerable discussion of the law’s historical lack of recognition of rights of a fetus, the justices concluded “the word ‘person,’ as used in the 14th Amendment, does not include the unborn.” Landmark Supreme Court Cases
 
TheLittleLady said:
Have you ever met someone who wanted to get pregnant so they could have food on the table and a roof over their heads?
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I guess you haven’t ever watched Shameless. Maybe that show is where folks are basing their arguments from.

My wife for some reason finds it a good show, but certainly not in line with Church teaching. I on the other hand can’t stand it.
 
buffalo said:
How about chastity education? Incentivizing single mothers causes more of this. Fathers not in the home is terrible.

I argue that charity begets gratitude, government programs beget expectations.
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Yes and recent events seem to show things get worse and worse and even worse.

There will be no real peace until life is not seen as disposable. That is very much at the root of the problem.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Have you ever met someone who wanted to get pregnant so they could have food on the table and a roof over their heads?
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You then are out of touch with reality. Having more children out of wedlock means more benefits.
 
buffalo said:
Further, after considerable discussion of the law’s historical lack of recognition of rights of a fetus, the justices concluded “the word ‘person,’ as used in the 14th Amendment, does not include the unborn.” Landmark Supreme Court Cases
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Yep, the mother had rights under the 14th, but the unborn had no rights since it doesn’t meet the definition under US Code.

What are you trying to point out.
 
farronwolf said:
Yep, the mother had rights under the 14th, but the unborn had no rights since it doesn’t meet the definition under US Code.

What are you trying to point out.
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3/5 decision… We have seen this purposely done in the past. Deny personhood. We are still there. They argue the unborn is not a person. We know they are.
 
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Are you saying the courts need to define personhood?

Any efforts for all of your elected officials to change the US Code on it? If the answer is no, then they really aren’t taking a pro life stance are they?
 
Pregnancy is a necessary condition but not a cause for abortion.
 
farronwolf said:
Are you saying the courts need to define personhood?

Any efforts for all of your elected officials to change the US Code on it? If the answer is no, then they really aren’t taking a pro life stance are they?
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It is one front - there are personhood movements.
 
buffalo said:
Is your point that the 5 non-negotiables are negotiable? Or that beyond them there are negotiables?
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I do not understand any since in which any moral teaching is negotiable, including the whole of Catholic social doctrine.
Shakuhachi said:
Pregnancy is a necessary condition but not a cause for abortion.
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How about this, the causes of abortion are several - unwanted pregnancy, under-valued pregnancy, fear of the unknown, lack of faith, selfishness, etc.

There is one underlying pre-requisite, but many causes.
 
annem said:
I am heartsick that there are some on a Catholic forum who do not care about Biden’s support for the mass murder of babies near birth.
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One cannot assume this from the lack of support for Trump, anymore than one can say they are heart-broken by the racism of those that support Trump. Both statements have two major logic flaws.
 
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